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Toda raba for clearing that up. Your original answer to my question was excellent too(!). I just needed clarification. Thank you so much. image

-amichayil ]]> feeds@yuku.com (amichayil) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/26398 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:23:29 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Besamim ]]> http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/26396/t/Besamim.html#reply-26396
My 'confusion' regarding when the dagesh qal is to be used is if it's, "...at the beginning of a word..." (Professor Raizen) or, "...beginning of a sentence..." (Professor UriYosef). I just wanted clarification because I'm making so many mistakes trying to read Hebrew without nikkud.

Professor Raizen's answer is better (more complete) than mine since every sentence begins with a... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/26396 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:34:21 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Besamim ]]> http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/26394/t/Besamim.html#reply-26394 UriYosef,

I'm sorry---I mis-read ProfBenTziyyon's first paragraph. My mistake.

My 'confusion' regarding when the dagesh qal is to be used is if it's, "...at the beginning of a word..." (Professor Raizen) or, "...beginning of a sentence..." (Professor UriYosef). I just wanted clarification because I'm making so many mistakes trying to read Hebrew without nikkud.

Toda for your help. I greatly appreciate... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (amichayil) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/26394 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:16:41 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Besamim ]]> http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/26320/t/Besamim.html#reply-26320 amichayil wrote:

Toda for your reply, but I'm still confused. The first paragraph of ProfBenTziyyon's post above is one example of my confusion regarding this gramatical rule.

I am not sure where your confusion is. Professor Raizen's statement of the rule is quite clear, and ProfBenTziyyon's first paragraph shows you three examples - the first two where the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/26320 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:44:14 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Besamim ]]> http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/26304/t/Besamim.html#reply-26304
Toda for your reply, but I'm still confused. The first paragraph of ProfBenTziyyon's post above is one example of my confusion regarding this gramatical rule.

Also, I have several Beginner Hebrew books for secondary/college students and only one even mentions this rule. All the others simply state that 'bet' with a dagesh is 'b' and without is 'v'. No info there!

The only book I have which mentions any rule at all is,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (amichayil) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/26304 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:46:40 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Besamim ]]> http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/26215/t/Besamim.html#reply-26215 Uri,

בּוֹרֵא מִינֵי בְשָׂמִים and בּוֹרֵא עֲצֵי בְשָׂמִים both have beit r'fuyyah (i.e. without daggesh); but בּוֹרֵא עִשְׂבוֹת בְּשָׂמִים has beit d'gushah (i.e. with daggesh).

As to why many people say בְּשָׂמִים instead of בְשָׂמִים, your correspondent... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/26215 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:24:22 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Besamim ]]> http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/26203/t/Besamim.html#reply-26203
What is the Hebrew grammatical rule for the siddur spelling, and why do people say, 'besamim' and not, 'vesamim'?

Let me make this as simple as possible, without getting into the intricacies. The reason is that the word בְּשָׂמִים, b'samim, immediately follows the word מִינֵי, minei, which... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/26203 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:28:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Besamim ]]> http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/topic/2119/t/Besamim.html
I'm embarrassed showing my ignorance by asking this question but here goes....image

In the Havdalah Blessing in the siddur, 'besamim' is always written with a 'bet' sans dagash and transliterated as, 'vesamim', like it is spelled. I've always only heard it pronounced, 'besamim'. What is the Hebrew grammatical rule for the siddur... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (amichayil) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/topic/2119 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:05:41 GMT