http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/topic/2539/t/Re-Kabbalah.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:08:43 GMT Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:32:28 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/topic/2539/t/Re-Kabbalah.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32821/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32821 "Do you consider the Kabbalah to be a part of the Jewish corpus?" I think the person really wants to know if Kabbalah is an accepted part of Jewish Knowledge.
To this - the answer is yes.
For the inevitable follow-ups, see the rest of this thread.
]]> feeds@yuku.com (RabbiEzriel) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32821 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:32:27 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32819/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32819
"Do you consider the Kabbalah to be a part of the Jewish corpus?"

just want to make sure before i respond...would the correct answer be a simple 'yes'? if not, then what would kabbalah be considered as?

thanks, aviva ]]> feeds@yuku.com (avivai) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32819 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:58:16 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32796/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32796 reuven65 wrote:

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Rabbi Daniel, you'd be surprised how many missionaries have stopped me at the grocery store, library, in and around town and attempted to missionize me regardless of the fact that I wear a kippa, tallit katan, etc. It is my experience that even when they know what these garments mean, they don't give a damn and will still attempt to murder my soul by peddling their wares of their false messiah/false... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (DW Duke) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32796 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:31:14 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32726/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32726 feeds@yuku.com (reuven65) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32726 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:51:14 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32249/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32249
Xtian missionaries are specifically told not to approach religious people. They're given descriptions of religious attire.
I wouldn't think these guys would bother either. L'havdil. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rabbi Daniel) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32249 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:59:33 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32246/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32246 As R' Daniel explained earlier, trying to understand Kabbalah without understanding Torah and Talmud is like reading a book on the heart and then calling yourself a heart surgeon. Without the years of college, medical school and years of residency you shouldn't make the first cut! And trying to understand Torah and Talmud just by reading books and translations is akin to the same thing. I've been telling my students for years that Torah (collective... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (RabbiEzriel) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32246 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:12:06 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32245/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32245 "How can we protect them...

First, you're not talking to one of "them" whom you feel needs protecting.
Second, we protect them by making ourselves stronger, because we're all connected. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rabbi Daniel) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32245 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:32:21 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32242/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32242 Rabbi Daniel wrote:

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*Yup, that was an oxymoroner if I ever heard one.

*I hear you and now assure you EVEN MORE SO as a Jewish mom [and not the co-ed] that strengthening yourself will be much better for you and for all Israel than the PMing.

Thank you Rabbi Daniel for your response. I would just like to add a couple of things.

First, my son (and only child) is a 33 year old grown... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (amichayil) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32242 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:11:08 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32239/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32239 feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32239 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:03:27 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32238/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32238
If you read it you will discern that 'e' is the fifth letter of the alphabet.

Tomer Devorah was written by R. Moses ben Jacob Cordovero, in the 1500's.

Jewish wisdom is not limited to have to speak in tongues to make itself seem deep and cryptic.
That's hollywood.

You can read Tomer Devorah and think you understand it while having no idea what the author is saying.
You have to... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rabbi Daniel) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32238 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:47:31 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32237/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32237
There is a famous book called "The Palm Tree of Devorah" or (if I'm spelling this correctly) Tomar Devorah.

Is this considered a kabbalistic book?

Or is it just bringing out some kabbalistic thought to the layman (for lack of a better word)?

In other words, I don't need to have 40 years of Torah, Talmud study to read or understand it. I'm not trying to answer my own question, just... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (SearchinMyRoots) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32237 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:56:51 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32236/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32236
*I hear you and now assure you EVEN MORE SO as a Jewish mom [and not the co-ed] that strengthening yourself will be much better for you and for all Israel than the PMing. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rabbi Daniel) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32236 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:00:58 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32235/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32235
QUOTE:
*Judeo-Christian would need a context. [I'm not saying you need to tell me the context. Just chatting with you.]
My first response to this term is, "You mean Judeo."

(amichayil)--My response was to a poster who claimed to be a 'Satanist' and said, "....but not the 'Judeo-Christian' concept of Satan." Hence my reply as noted in my previous post. But I very much appreciate your clarification of... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (amichayil) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32235 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:05:18 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32234/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32234
Few points, big and small.

*Judeo-Christian would need a context. [I'm not saying you need to tell me the context. Just chatting with you.]
My first response to this term is, "You mean Judeo."
Judaism having being around 1500 years before the invent of xtianity, and xtianity having it built itself up on Judaism's moral teachings, "Judeo-Xtian" means "Judeo period."
Agreed, just the same, that there... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rabbi Daniel) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32234 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:36:48 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32233/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32233
This on-line discussion began when I posted on a public forum in response to someone using the term, "Judeo-Christian". I said the term was an oxymoron and explained why, in a pedagogic manner. (The forum is about
"Religion, Philosophy and Science" and the posters are mostly college students). A discussion followed and several students thanked me for providing information they had not learn in any of their 'World... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (amichayil) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32233 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:06:27 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32229/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32229
I would reconsider saying it's "nothing more than "New Age" gobbledegook," because to me it gives an impression it is void of any Jewish content. But I think people will see Jewish content in it. Every lie has some measure of truth in it to glue the lies together.

For clarity sake I would say that the "secrets" being espoused today by the charlatan is information on par with a 4th grade Jewish... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rabbi Daniel) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32229 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:44:06 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/32226/t/Re-Kabbalah.html#reply-32226 Wikipedia as a "source."
Perfect for a christian who uses his book as a source.
Wikipedia is like a call-in chat show. Many people give over their opinions, and expect everyone else to consider them to be facts.
The Sanhedrin was, and will be the spiritual leadership of the Jewish people. But in reality, that is all that we need. Political leadership is a poor substitute. The essence of our being is spiritual, not political. And when everyone... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (RabbiEzriel) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/sreply/32226 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:45:17 GMT http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/topic/2539/t/Re-Kabbalah.html
One thing he said was that the, "Jewish people" had, "hidden knowledge from the rest of the world for millinnia--until now." I asked him why he said such an outrageous thing. He cut/pasted a paragraph from Wikipedia. (I found the paragraph there under, "Kabbalah" and tried to copy/paste it here, but Yuku wouldn't let me back... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (amichayil) http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/topic/2539 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:08:43 GMT