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feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:07:02 GMT

UriYosef wrote:
ProfBenTziyyon who studied the Greek language and holds a master's degree in it

Uri, that degree is in the Koinē Greek of the καινὴ διαθήκη, not "the Greek language" proper.

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feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:26:26 GMT

Sophiee1 wrote:
Weboh you are making declarations as if they were fact and you do NOTHING to support them.

Sophie, haven't we seen this kind of behavior before? It appears that "weboh" has little to no facility in any dialect, ancient or modern, of the Greek language. The past statements by this poster, being peddled as if they were factual, have been shown over and...

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feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:46:10 GMT

Weboh you are making declarations as if they were fact and you do NOTHING to support them.

The very article in Wikipedia from which you quoted disagreed with your very premise when not quoted selectively.

I suggest you go back and read what experts have had to say, including post #57 in this thread:

Is it because people can't read English or because some people are too lazy to make sense of it even though it IS in English?

Ever hear of

No Fear Shakespeare: Shakespeare's plays plus a modern translation ...

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feeds@yuku.com (weboh) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:26:07 GMT
Sophiee: Weboh I did OT use a "disagreeing article" to prove a point.

But you ignored my point about Modern Greek translations. There are two of them. This doesn't imply enough similarity at all between the two, unless the modern greek translations are for children.

"Modern Greek is the natural continuation of Koine Greek", but it is nonetheless an artificial alteration of Koine.

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feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:30:18 GMT
Weboh I did OT use a "disagreeing article" to prove a point.

I used the SAME article.

I also used a second article ALSO from the same source as the first (Wikipedia).

You failed to comprehend what the articles actually said, just as you failed to comprehend my use of them in my post. It is important to read what is there, not what one would like to be there. Thus my comment on "proof texting" not working in any documents.

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feeds@yuku.com (weboh) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:24:31 GMT
I noticed you used a disagreeing article to prove your point. The article Modern Greek in wikipedia says it is synthetic anyway. I have encountered this evangelical canard all of the time: the belief Greek is smoothly continous. Greek has no doubt been altered, such that it really is koine (mediocre- common)? And it has been latinized through the use of mass nouns and punctuation.

Sophiee1:Ancient Greek texts, especially from Biblical Koine onwards, are thus relatively easy to...

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feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:58:32 GMT
Weboh quoted from

Modern Greek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What Weboh did't quote from that article:

Within Greek, all surviving forms of Modern Greek, except the Tsakonian dialect, are descendants of the common supra-regional (Koine). . .Attic Koine is . . . regarded by most scholars as the principal source...

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feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:20:49 GMT
Weboh, someone who speaks modern Hebrew can certainly understand ancient Hebrew -- but the reverse may not be true. There are "new" words in modern Hebrew that did not exist in ancient Hebrew. מטוס (airplane), מחשב (computer). . .

FYI, the Professor has studied Koine Greek.

Have you?

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feeds@yuku.com (weboh) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:37:45 GMT
The verb inflections are very different. It has the same noun inflections to some extent, but the rest of the grammar is extremely different. Even the vocabulary has changed invisibly to scholars who assume the modern definitions are the same.

"Modern Greek is still largely a synthetic language. It is one of the few Indo-European languages that has retained a synthetic passive. Noticeable changes in grammar (compared to classical Greek) include the loss of the dative case, the...

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feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:51:58 GMT

UriYosef wrote:
"Considering the New Testament's 4900 words, half of them are used with the same meaning today, most of the rest are easily understood by any Greek, and about 400 words are incomprehensible."

As a speaker of modern Greek (sufficiently fluent to be able to hold a conversation with a native of Greece of...

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feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:22:54 GMT

weboh wrote:
UriYosef: What makes you think they don't know Koine?

Modern greek is not near or close to being the same language as Biblical/Koine Greek.

Since I do not speak Greek, I looked for the opinions of Greek speakers. Here is how one native Greek speaker answers the question "How understandable is...

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feeds@yuku.com (weboh) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:58:36 GMT
UriYosef: What makes you think they don't know Koine?

Modern greek is not near or close to being the same language as Biblical/Koine Greek.

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feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:13:03 GMT

weboh wrote:
But not Koine, though it is interesting to see that some Jews don't think Greek as pagan, but rather neutral.

What makes you think they don't know Koine? Those of us who are native Hebrew speakers have no problem reading and understanding the Hebrew Bible, which is written in Biblical Hebrew. As to your comment "it is interesting to...

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feeds@yuku.com (weboh) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:54:42 GMT

UriYosef: I personally know a few people who are fluent in Greek and are not Eastern Orthodox, and also Greek individuals (among them Jews) who are fluent in several other languages, including English.
But not Koine, though it is interesting to see that some Jews don't think Greek as pagan, but rather neutral.

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feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:24:08 GMT

weboh wrote:
I would be suprised to find anyone fluent in Greek who isn't an Eastern Orthodox priest.

I personally know a few people who are fluent in Greek and are not Eastern Orthodox, and also Greek individuals (among them Jews) who are fluent in several other languages, including English. It has been my experience that, in general, it is the Americans (excluding naturalized citizens and a small...

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feeds@yuku.com (weboh) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:37:49 GMT

Natanel: What is there for me to prove?
It is irrelevent if G-d said these word, if you don't answer the question: First and Last of what?

You entered the thread changing the Greek text, either not knowing you were wrong or not expecting anyone to call you on it. Who knows how much further you would have taken it if you hadn't been immediately called on it. Eventually you even tried to re-interpret a Hebrew word to support your...

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feeds@yuku.com (Alesiah) — Sun, 31 May 2009 13:07:58 GMT
I know MT has discussed the topic many times before concerning the prophecies of JC.. I think one problem is, perhaps they are not the prophecies of JC..but simply JC repeating what's already been expressed by the ancients.. Is it a possibility?? Ancient what you might ask???

Here's a verse that's been brought up in the past to disprove JC prophecies....but I just wanted to look...

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Modern Greek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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