listen to her voice

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:29:26 GMT

I also counted five generations. I wrote:

You are going back four generations to get to Nahshon. From Nahshon there was Salmon then Boaz (who married the convert Ruth) then Obed and only then the father of David, Jesse, and finally Dovid HaMelech himself. . .

in that ancestry going back five...

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:47:08 GMT

Sophiee1 wrote:
You are going back four generations to get to Nahshon.

I count five generations:

1. Nahshon − Salmah/Salmon

2. Salmah/Salmon −...

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:38:24 GMT

Sophiee1 wrote:
There was nothing "special" about David's lineage excepting that Ruth was a convert....

You seem to be forgetting that their origins were even humbler than that − Rut was descended from Lot's son Mo'av (who was a mamzer), and the male side of...

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:36:21 GMT

Good catch. "tribe" is the incorrect term. Clan or "family within the tribe" is a more proper way of describing it.

You are going back four generations to get to Nahshon. From Nahshon there was Salmon then Boaz (who married the convert Ruth) then Obed and only then the father of David, Jesse, and finally Dovid HaMelech himself.

I think it is a stretch to claim that David's direct family was considered in any way powerful since they were shepherds....

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:04:41 GMT

Sophiee1 wrote:
David was a younger son of a lowly tribe of Judah....

What a strange thing to say! First, there was only one "tribe of Y'hudah" (rendering the indefinite article "a" out of place), and second, the tribe of Y'hudah was anything...

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:03:35 GMT

The Torah is clear that Ishamel IS blessed.

Abraham begged that Ishmael would live before G-d. As Abraham's son G-d made Ishmael a mighty nation. . .

Read Genesis 17:

Quote:
17:20 I have also heard you with regard to Ishmael. I will bless him, and make him fruitful, increasing his numbers very greatly. He will father twelve princes, and I will make him into a great nation....

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (Netanel) — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:13:29 GMT

God had already blessed Yishma'él, as recorded in B'reishit 17:20.

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:45:13 GMT

You only had to ask.

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:31:01 GMT

Thank you, Mordochai.

UriYosef

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:56:15 GMT

UriYosef wrote:
Although I have yet to figure out how to show a superscript on these yuku boards, I generally use a superscripted "e" in the transliteration to indicate the presence of a שְׁוָא נָע (shva na) in a word.

Misunderstandings are bound to arise if you adopt a totally non-standard transliteration scheme.

As far as I am aware, transliteration is not an "exact science". Consequently, there exist variations in the schemes.

Just for...

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:23:02 GMT

UriYosef wrote:
OK, now I understand why you made your comment. My own convention for transliterating some Hebrew letters into the Latin alphabet when there exists some ambiguity (on the Latin side) is this....

Misunderstandings are bound to arise if you adopt a totally non-standard transliteration scheme.

Just for...

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:43:45 GMT

Mordochai,

I was referring to the way you appeared to make a point of underscoring the final letter a in the transliteration "yeshu'a".

OK, now I understand why you made your comment. My own convention for transliterating some Hebrew letters...

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:42:34 GMT

UriYosef wrote:
Don't you think that I know how the name is pronounced? I generally don't include the meteg to indicate the accentuated syllable.

Touchy, touchy.... I was referring to the way you appeared to make...

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:41:22 GMT

Mordochai,

1. You seem to be accentuating the final syllable of that name whereas it is actually יֵשֽׁוּעַ Yé-SHU-'a.

Don't you think that I know how the name is pronounced?

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:11:40 GMT

We may never hear from the original poster again. Seems likely to be a "hit and run."

Ty do you know what the word holy means (kadosh)?

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (tyolilums) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:24:32 GMT

I'm going to take a wild stab at the intent of the original post.

Is this your point? Only God is Holy. And God said 'Be Holy'.

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:47:57 GMT

yeshua wrote:
Yitzchak and Yishmael can not live together.

On the contrary, we learn from B'réshιt 25:9 that the brothers Yitzhak and Yishma'él were reconciled at their father's graveside and that Yishma'él even gave Yitzhak precedence − this was the...

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:55:05 GMT

UriYosef wrote:
....the name יֵשוּעַ (yeshu'a) occurs in the T'nach 28 times as a person's name.

1. You seem to be accentuating the final syllable of that name whereas it is actually יֵ

Re: listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:08:04 GMT

ProfBenTziyyon wrote:
And change that offensive and insulting name.

Let's first find out who this person is and what is his purpose here. After all, the name יֵשוּעַ (yeshu'a) occurs in the T'nach 28 times as a person's name.

...

listen to her voice

feeds@yuku.com (yeshua) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:29:04 GMT

G_d said to Avraham-"...In all that sarah says to you , listen to her voice."21:12
And about Yishmael " His hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him.He will live opposite all of his brothers."16:12
Yitzchak and Yishmael ; Yitzchak seed and Yishmael seed ,will live opposite according to G_d's word. Who is "every man ?" , to me it refers to Yitzchak and his seed.Who are they, the seed of Yitzchak? to me who...