Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (Captain Chaos 64) — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:16:50 GMT

weboh wrote:
...Βιβλιαριο Ελληνικη...
Obviously, I am not fluid enough, but you did mispell Greek in Greek.

I guess I overestimated your knowledge of the Greek language. The word Ελληνικη - Hellenike - is the dative singular feminine adjective referring to the Greek language, written or spoken.
When used...

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:49:52 GMT

1. Treat others with respect. Posts that are deemed otherwise will be edited if possible or removed without explanation.

"Mutilated" Greek? This is not showing respect. Attack the argument, not the poster.

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Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (weboh) — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:01:55 GMT

Or perhaps Weboh is not interested in translating because she cannot do so? She showed a lack of Greek knowledge in the thread "Last Generation."

I am not going to "bust my back" trying to understand mutilated Modern Greek writing.

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:46:16 GMT

Or perhaps Weboh is not interested in translating because she cannot do so? She showed a lack of Greek knowledge in the thread "Last Generation."

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (weboh) — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:21:02 GMT

Captain Chaos 64 wrote:

Weboh,
When making your claims of expertise in "Biblical Greek," I am presuming that you are refering to the writing style of the early GT manuscripts.
It has to be, because that is the only Greek literature that can be considered "Biblical Greek."
I wouldn't say that, but you would.
However, I suppose you could be using the correct translation of Βιβλιαριο Ελληνικη, which is simply...

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (Captain Chaos 64) — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:30:53 GMT

Weboh,

When making your claims of expertise in "Biblical Greek," I am presuming that you are refering to the writing style of the early GT manuscripts.
It has to be, because that is the only Greek literature that can be considered "Biblical Greek."
However, I suppose you could be using the correct translation of Βιβλιαριο...

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:25:43 GMT

Weboh, again you take a stance as authoritative with nothing to back it up. You say "The word foolish shouldn't be part of the definition" based on WHAT pray tell?

Once again you've done nothing to support your case and yet not only does the Lexicon disagree with you, but so do most Chrstian translations! Luke 24:25:

Then he said unto them, O fools (KJV)
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Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (weboh) — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:24:44 GMT

I derives from α-a negative prefix and Νους meaning mind and a-τ suffix which implies a direct object.

Nous -- 2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires G3563

Checking α using Thayer's definitions:
1) not understood, unintelligible
2) not understanding, unwise, foolish
(ie, Not being thought of?)

The word foolish shouldn't be part of the definitions, because the unwittingness is implied by the...

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:03:28 GMT

Gee, doesn't the Lexicon say

"ανοητοι adjective - vocative plural masculine
anoetos an-o'-ay-tos: unintelligent; by implication, sensual -- fool(-ish), unwise."

????

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (weboh) — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:45:05 GMT

There are several terms for fool which are used in the passages. But my favorite is Luke 24:25; which is so badly translated, it is amazing. Fools or foolish ones in place of the greek unthinkers, ανοητοι.

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:13:32 GMT

Hardly comparable, Ezekah. The GT has Jsus saying that anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." - Matthew 5:22

Anyone is inclusive of Jsus.

G-d on the other hand created everything, He "owns" everything including us, and He gave us immortal souls. G-d (in a sense) kills everyone because we all physically die...

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (Ezekah) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:28:42 GMT

Sophiee1 wrote:
Meaning: the good old "double standard" -- you do it and you go to hell. But Jsus HE doesn't sin so he can do whatever he wants -- steal, sin, whatever and it isn't sinning.

Not that I agree with them, but atheists like to point to G-d killing people as an example of G-d's immorality.

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:24:27 GMT

Meaning: the good old "double standard" -- you do it and you go to hell. But Jsus HE doesn't sin so he can do whatever he wants -- steal, sin, whatever and it isn't sinning.

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:11:37 GMT

More literally "That which is permissible for Jupiter is not permissible for a cow".

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:13:30 GMT

Translation: "What is legitimate for the god J-ove, is not legitimate for oxen." Attributed to Terence, who lived in Ancient Rome.

Re: Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:10:24 GMT

Classic case of the Latin proverb

QVOD LICET IOVI
NON LICET BOVI.

Did Jesus condemn himself to hell?

feeds@yuku.com (Netanel) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:30:47 GMT

"...But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." - Matthew 5:22

Compared to:

Matthew 23:17, 19
Luke 11:40
Luke 12:20 (that doesn't bode well)
Luke 24:25

etc.