Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Fri, 22 May 2009 13:34:05 GMT

The point of Isaiah 7 has very little to do with the child who is born but more to do with the fact that the two kings Ahaz' is afraid of will be beaten by the time that child is old enough to know good from evil.

As UriYosef stated, the idea of dual prophecy is not biblical. Why not triple prophecy? Or quadruple prophecy? Why not three gods in one?

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) — Fri, 22 May 2009 12:12:20 GMT

mredd wrote:

"To argue that Hebrew had no future tense doesn't solve anything as far as this passage is concerned, because Hebrew writers relied on past tense when they wanted to convey the certainty of the future. Young explained this in the introduction to his literal translation:

The Hebrew writers often express the...

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (mredd) — Fri, 22 May 2009 11:07:09 GMT

"To argue that Hebrew had no future tense doesn't solve anything as far as this passage is concerned, because Hebrew writers relied on past tense when they wanted to convey the certainty of the future. Young explained this in the introduction to his literal translation:

The Hebrew writers often express the "certainty of a thing taking place" by putting it in the "past" tense, though the actual fulfillment may not take place for ages. This...

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (Netanel) — Sun, 17 May 2009 17:52:27 GMT

The two most likely identities of the woman spoken of in Y'shayahu 7:14 are either ha-n'viyah (the wife of Y'shayahu), or the wife of King Ahaz. In either case the status of the woman is not unknown to the prophet, so this is an unsatisfactory explanation of the word 'almah, which is applied to her.

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (Gavriel) — Sun, 17 May 2009 14:06:04 GMT

Sophiee1 wrote:
I'm not sure why Drashi thought almah never applied to a married man or woman and he doesn't frequent the boards any more to ask him.

If I recall, and I could be wrong, but Drashi felt almah meant one of unknown status, so it makes sense that...

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) — Thu, 14 May 2009 12:36:12 GMT

mredd wrote:
Firstly , where is the proof that back then "parthenos" meant virgin and virgin only?

The proof is right "in the pudding", as the old saying goes, i.e., the proof is right in the LXX itself, where Dinah is referred to as "parthenos" at Genesis 34:3, AFTER she was raped by Sh'chem.

UriYosef

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Thu, 14 May 2009 08:10:59 GMT

As we've stated repeatedly: the Septuagint was ONLY the Torah (Five books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Numbers).

No one knows who translated Isaiah into Greek or when it was done or by whom -- let alone that it was done around 250 BCE.

Parthenos did not mean "virgin" at any rate. The Greek translators used "parthenos" to speak of Dinah AFTER she was raped. Ever hear of Justin Martyr's

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (mredd) — Thu, 14 May 2009 07:40:57 GMT

"...appears some 7X in the OT. Around 250 BC the OT was translated to Greek(the Septuagint) Almah was translated as parthenos ( virgin ) each time."

Firstly , where is the proof that back then "parthenos" meant virgin and virgin only?is it not possible that christians redefined the meaning of "parthenos" because of matthews usuage of it and then popularised thier redefinition of "parthenos"? christianity has a history of...

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (mredd) — Thu, 14 May 2009 07:04:08 GMT

How many more times? The "Septuagint" − if it ever existed outside of legend − ONLY CONTAINED THE FIVE BOOKS OF TORAH. It did not include Y'shayahu. So you are talking crap, "mredd". As regards your other points, I refer you tomordochai.tripod.com/immanuel.html .

are you blind? did you not see the quotation marks? i was not the one...

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (UriYosef) — Wed, 13 May 2009 20:58:40 GMT

mredd wrote:
how accurate is the quote above?

Totally inaccurate since it relies on the "Septuagint", otherwise known today as the LXX - a Greektranslation by Christians of some version of the Hebrew Bible, though not using the same order of books as in the canonized version, nor is it marked in the same way as the Hebrew Bible as it regards chapters & verses, nor does it have the same content for all the...

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Wed, 13 May 2009 19:42:37 GMT

How many more times? The "Septuagint" − if it ever existed outside of legend − ONLY CONTAINED THE FIVE BOOKS OF TORAH. It did not include Y'shayahu. So you are talking crap, "mredd". As regards your other points, I refer you to mordochai.tripod.com/immanuel.html.

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (mredd) — Wed, 13 May 2009 17:27:14 GMT

"MATT says that Jesus was born from a virgin citing ISAIAH 7:14. In the original Hebrew the word means young woman, not virgin. Was he wrong? The explanation is the following: in Hebrew the word almah means young woman. It appears some 7X in the OT. Around 250 BC the OT was translated to Greek(the Septuagint) Almah was translated as parthenos ( virgin ) each time.Michael Brown, the Messianic Jewish scholar, in his Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, acknowledges almah means young...

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (Sharbano) — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:37:32 GMT

I haven't read All the posts on this topic and maybe will sometime later. In any event, no matter How a person tries to cut it xtianity IS a Polytheistic religion. The xtian prays to TWO entities, addressing the "Father" and concluding in jc's name.
Zephaniah clearly speaks to this.

Zeph 1:5 "And those who prostrate themselves on the roofs to the heavenly host, and those who bow down and swear to Hashem and [then] swear by their king".

We...

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:23:20 GMT

It is why we like you so much.

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:41:50 GMT

Just showing off, Sophie − history is, after all, "my thing" ;-)

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:18:47 GMT

No disagreement with history, Mordochai. I didn't say There was never a time when two overlapped. I said there was never a time when those three overlapped.

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:24:10 GMT

Sophiee1 wrote:
The Greek text asserts that when Jsus was born Herod was King of Judea (Luke 1:5), Quirinius was Governor of Syria (Luke 2:2) and Caesar Augustus was the emperor of Rome (Luke 2:1).
There was never a time when those three overlapped.

I'm afraid that history disagrees with you, Sophie: Harod...

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (Sophiee1) — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:46:55 GMT
The "facts" in the GT around Jsus' birth conflict -- making it impossible to say when he was born, if he was born at all.

The Greek text asserts that when Jsus was born Herod was King of Judea (Luke 1:5), Quirinius was Governor of Syria (Luke 2:2) and Caesar Augustus was the emperor of Rome (Luke 2:1).

There was never a time when those three overlapped. So it is impossible to say if Jsus died in the 20s or 30s of the first century -- we have no clue as to...

Re: Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (ProfBenTziyyon) — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:51:48 GMT

Sophiee1 wrote:
....37 CE -- around 5 years after Jsus supposedly died....

Harod hagadol was still alive when Yoshke was supposedly born, and he died in 4BCE. Lukos 3:23 gives Yoshke's age when he died as "about thirty years old" (it seems a bit strange...

Michael L. Brown,

feeds@yuku.com (Ras Eliah) — Fri, 11 May 2007 20:18:01 GMT
Greetings and Hotep!(Peace)

First off I would like to say this is my first post, so hello everyone and thank you for making it possible for me and others to come here and ask questions. It is a great service.

Today was my first experience with Mr. Michael Brown, not personally, but in that I had never heard of him before. He is extremly impressive and very well spoken and you can tell that he has put in serious work and isn't riding in on someone elses fumes. I have to say...