Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Throwing a question out there.
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 Rabbi Daniel |
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Posts: 2410 (06/29/08 16:37:43) Moderator |
Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space?
Because all the unintelligent positions have been taken. |
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Posts: 487 (06/29/08 16:43:55) |
The chicken.
Because G-d created the animals first. Then they were able to produce eggs. |
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Posts: 2411 (06/29/08 17:50:00) Moderator |
An egg could produce a chicken.
Why not create the egg first?
Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space?
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Posts: 97 (06/29/08 19:00:38) |
my maybe-too-simple response:
the chicken, because if the egg came first there would be no chicken to sit on it to make it hatch, or feed it or teach it how to survive. my maybe-too-complicated response: depends on which translation you read. Those listed here at MT as closest to the Hebrew: Judaica Press and Jerusalem Bible, I think favor the chicken. The KJV seems to leave more room for the egg. my truthful response: I don't know. |
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Posts: 2692 (06/29/08 20:20:04) |
Hi R. Daniel,
An egg could produce a chicken.Obviously a no-brainer. If the egg was created first then someone would then eat the egg with bacon for breakfast and that would be non kosher. Whereas eating a Chicken is not usually served with bacon. Rabbism 101. 
I am looking forward to see if your answer agrees with mine. Reasonable question, nonetheless. Plus if the egg was created first - who would sit on the egg to hatch it? |
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Posts: 2412 (06/29/08 20:27:46) Moderator |
"the chicken, because if the egg came first there would be no chicken to sit on it to make it hatch, or feed it or teach it how to survive."
I have to imagine if G-d is creating for the first time, something out of nothing called a chicken egg, he could probably get it to hatch even without another chicken t sit on it. And if the chicken came first, who taught it to survive? Whatever came first, it did what it had to do reach it's second generation. I think we can call that a given. "The KJV seems to leave more room for the egg." It's essence is laying an egg. "I don't know." Stick around. You will soon.
Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space?
Because all the unintelligent positions have been taken. |
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Posts: 2693 (06/29/08 20:37:56) |
R. Daniel,
"I don't know."Could you also provide an enlargement of your avatar picture? I have been trying to figure out the significance. I saved it to my pictures and tried to enlarge it but it was too grainy. |
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Posts: 249 (06/29/08 21:09:58) |
I'll cast a vote for both a chicken and a rooster having to be created first since an egg by itself doesn't produce any chicken on it's own. One,
it has to be a chicken egg. Two, it has to be fertilized by a male.
To You , O LORD, I lift up my soul; in You I trust. Psalm 25:1
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Posts: 383 (06/29/08 22:46:22) |
Which came first the baby or the adult? I believe Adam and Eve were full grown adults. And everything else was full grown adults.
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vikkilyn |
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Posts: 98 (06/29/08 23:10:02) |
I have to imagine if G-d is creating for the first time, something out of nothing called a chicken egg, he could probably get it to hatch even without another chicken t sit on it. And if the chicken came first, who taught it to survive? I should have said I was working from the premise that G-d was creating the laws of nature as He went along. So, an egg might not need a chicken to sit on it, but under that premise it would still need some sort of incubation. If the chicken came first its instinct would teach it to survive, but it would have grown abilities to work with that a baby chick would not (same as why Adam and Chava were not babies?) I looked to see when/how the fowl were created, and found their creation is between the life from the waters and the animals on land. The good translations have two separate "let there be" 's in verse 20 -- sounding as though the creation of creeping life from the water and creation of life that flies in the air were not connected. The bad translation has only one "let there be" in that verse, thus making it sound like the fowl somehow came from the waters originally as well. If so, the waters (and mud under them) could have provided the warmth and protection to incubate an egg, that later hatched and learned to fly. "I don't know."I enjoy your questions for just that reason...... |
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Posts: 121 (06/30/08 20:40:52) |
The chicken.....
because eggs can't cross the road..... It is said in Bereshit, that G-d created the living creatures to produce "after their own kind", but that seems to indicate that a chicken would birth a live baby chick, not an egg. Additionally, most eggs that are laid are "duds"---they are not fertilized---a rooster must be present in the same henhouse to fertilize the eggs that hens lay and then sit on. So, G-d would have to create the egg already fertilized by a rooster not yet created. |
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Douggg |
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Posts: 2696 (07/01/08 11:24:07) |
R. Daniel, where are you? I have been holding my breath for a couple of days now, awaiting your answer. I hope you are not ill or something.
Everyone's life is precious.
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Posts: 488 (07/01/08 11:36:18) |
Why do we stop at the chicken? What about the rest of G-d's creation? Not all animals are hatched from eggs. So if things were consistent, animals would
have to have been created before the egg. Cows don't lay eggs. So cows must have procreated to have offspring. So being consistent with creation, I believe
all animals had to be created before the "eggs". Why limit it to animals? What came first, the fruit or the seed? The oak tree or the acorn?
Okay, I'm asking too many questions now, but I just wanted to bring out the point that maybe we shouldn't just limit it to "chickens". |
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Posts: 2415 (07/03/08 09:20:59) Moderator |
Hi all.
Sorry. I landed Wednesday night, returning from Israel, and by friday noon I was already on my way to a summer camp. So computer access has been limited. Everyone who guessed the chicken was correct! And a couple of your "why's" were pretty close as well. The "why" I was looking for: The chicken is the creation. The egg is only the potential to be the creation. So the next time someone tries throwing that ol' cliche at you, "Like, which came first, the chicken or the egg," you can put on that "are-you-the-last-on-the-planet-to-know" look and say, "The chicken, of course." I'll try and think of another.
Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space?
Because all the unintelligent positions have been taken. |
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Posts: 2416 (07/03/08 16:33:22) Moderator |
Douggg wrote: http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/will-your-grandchild-be-jewish-chart-graph.htm
Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space?
Because all the unintelligent positions have been taken. |
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Posts: 489 (07/03/08 17:27:46) |
Rabbi Daniel, Just wanted to let you know what I thought your avatar was. Now that you explained it, I remember that you or someone else did reference that website in the past, so I do recall seeing that chart before. Now for the drum roll.................................................................
I thought it was "Intel Inside", a microchip! I was having the hardest time trying to figure out why you were using a microchip!
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vikkilyn |
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Posts: 99 (07/03/08 22:43:34) |
The chicken is the creation.Thanks I'll try and think of another.I'll be looking forward to it. |
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Rabbi Daniel |
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Posts: 2417 (07/04/08 13:57:15) Moderator |
"I thought it was "Intel Inside", a microchip"
I do have a degree in electronics engineering so you were not that far off.
Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space?
Because all the unintelligent positions have been taken. |
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