What entity or individual will declare the Messiah when he comes?

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rhm7	What entity or individual will declare the Messiah when he comes?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 13 (07/10/08 12:01:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I am a Christian. But I love Ha Shem's Chosen People, and The Land. I would like to know what entity or individual will declare the Messiah when he comes? I understand the Jewish perspective that he will not be divine, but a man. Therefore he must be an amazing and powerful Jewish man, probably alive now, seeing all the recent developments in the world that speak of the end of this age. Will the people of Israel be led to follow him, since all Israel is not extremely religious? By what entity (s)? Will he be from the diaspora, or will have have made aliyah, or will he be a native born Hebrew, or a convert? I understand you feel he will build the Temple. Surely not by his own hand but with an amazing construction project as in the days of Soloman, maned by the people of Israel under his command. He would I think need Israel to coronate him. Knesset would have to change government to a monarchy. I'd imagine he would have to be able to gain the cooperation of the governments of the world to quiet the Arab outcry when the construction begins. I believe all these things will come to pass.. all the fulfillment of prophecy in scripture. But I want to know if anyone has thought of what must be in place just before his identity becomes apparent to leadership? I know the Temple Institute is working to build the implements and is working to clothe the priests, and that problems like reconstituing the ashes of the Red Hefer are being worked on with a breeding program, etc. Is he alive now, and if so, how will his identity probably unfold?
Rabbi Daniel		#1	[-]
Posts: 2425 (07/10/08 19:26:52) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	He is alive now in that every generation has someone living amongst them who can become the Mashiach if the generation so merits. When his time passes another is ready with the potential to fulfill the role. As for who, you really answered your own question. When he gathers in the exiles, educates all and builds the Temple, we'll know he is the Messiah. What's the point of declaring a Messiah who then gets nothing done? We're supposed to say, "Ok, so he'll come again." That works for plumbers and ice cream trucks. His accomplishments will be his declaration. Not where he was born, what his name is, what his race is... etc. None of that is important. Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space? Because all the unintelligent positions have been taken.
rhm7		#2	[-]
Posts: 14 (07/11/08 08:47:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Could Olmert, or Netanyahu be the one? Are there any candidates you are watching? Perez?
Rabbi Daniel		#3	[-]
Posts: 2427 (07/11/08 14:58:51) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Being in the political arena is not a qualification for being the Messiah. Actually, it's probably a disqualification. Politica = 240 = Amaleik Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space? Because all the unintelligent positions have been taken.
Cazlita		#4	[-]
Posts: 5 (07/22/08 15:25:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Rabbi Daniel wrote: He is alive now in that every generation has someone living amongst them who can become the Mashiach if the generation so merits. When his time passes another is ready with the potential to fulfill the role. I dont understand what you mean by that comment - can you elaborate for us?
Rabbi Daniel		#5	[-]
Posts: 2433 (07/22/08 21:51:16) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'll give you a bad example. Every four years there is someone who has the potential to be president of the United States but if the country doesn't merit it we never hear about him. Instead we get the likes of Obama and McCain. Does that help? Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space? Because all the unintelligent positions have been taken.
Rebecca1973		#6	[-]
Posts: 7 (07/27/08 15:10:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Isn't Obama the messiah? :)
Cazlita		#7	[-]
Posts: 6 (07/30/08 07:38:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Rabbi Daniel wrote: I'll give you a bad example. Every four years there is someone who has the potential to be president of the United States but if the country doesn't merit it we never hear about him. Instead we get the likes of Obama and McCain. Does that help? So you are saying that there isnt a particular pre-destined messiah but many people have the qualities to become the messiah?
Rabbi Daniel		#8	[-]
Posts: 2435 (07/31/08 00:04:32) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Basically, yes. One in every generation. Because there isn't one time that the messiah will show himself but rather we wait for him to arrive any day. My grandparents and their grandparents waited for him every day as well. But there isn't some 400 year old guy somehwere waiting for his name to be called. There is always someone with the potential to be him around, should we merit an early arrival. When that person can no longer fulfill the role, then another is ready in his place. Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space? Because all the unintelligent positions have been taken.
Cazlita		#9	[-]
Posts: 7 (07/31/08 14:18:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hmm not a way i've ever heard this expressed. Is this your personal opinion or the "jewish" one as a whole thought by all rabbis and learned men/women?
Rabbi Daniel		#10	[-]
Posts: 2437 (07/31/08 17:17:15) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It never hurts to repeat this. I am not here propagating my own religion nor a new version of an existing religion The only right I have answering questions on Judaism is having been educated in Judaism. Otherwise I say I don't know or will research a matter till I do know. On questions in which there is room for opinion, if I give it I say it is mine. I do appreciate your question. There are laws and policing against false doctors, lawyers and driver licenses. Anyone can claim they are a rabbi, or even kabbalist, and teach whatever nonsense they want. Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space? Because all the unintelligent positions have been taken.
rhm7	Can't agree that this time is like all the rest	#11	[-]
Posts: 15 (08/04/08 07:40:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Rabbi Daniel, we are both "official" enough to discuss the most important things in our lives over coffee in a cafe on Ben Yehuda St! (I loved to spend time there when I visit!) I appreciate your original thoughts. I also have had years of people and relatives from the other side of the equation. Not with a strong messianic expectation but a sort of steady state view of religion, that we act as though the next 50 years will be as the last 1000 years. I can't abide that long. Israel is no longer dry bones in the desert. It lives against all odds, and will forever live. There are times when I think Ha Shem has not yet breathed His spirit of life into the body. But the body is alive and breathing. I see sensing the Spirit of G_d as our responsibility. What is He about now? How is He going to change things soon? It is like knowing I am taking a trip. I buy the ticket as the date approaches. I pack my bags, I make arrangements. The impending trip builds expecataion and excitement, and I see my paradime's shift to accomadate His will. In fact, I see such disgust about the current political and security situation from my Jewish sources, I now expect to see in every newscast information that will point to another Torah prophecy fulfillment. I strain to see His hand move to save His people, and to see His power manifest even more conclusively! I guess you could have the opinion that the messiah will be not identifiable, as David was for Samuel when he was commanded to go to the house of Jesse. But I see no official prophet or high priest or Sanhedran, that could anoint the Messiah even if it were his time. That is what I am looking for. Who or what exists that would speak to the world that this man is truly the annointed of G_d? I don't see Ha Shem leaving this up to consensus or a vote.
Rabbi Daniel		#12	[-]
Posts: 2438 (08/05/08 02:06:35) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I guess I forgot one. And anyone can claim that they are "official" enough to discuss the most important things. Fortunately G-d does not have to operate within the confines of your limitations. Why does D.C. spend gazillions looking for intelligent life in space? Because all the unintelligent positions have been taken.

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