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I know I found the word echadim somewhere in Jeremiah or some other prophet's writing. Does anyone know what passage this word is found in? I am trying to argue against christian theologians who try to pervert the word echad to mean that there is three. I have already written a good document on it, but showing a passage with echadim would help the cause.

Also, could you explain the word echadim as opposed to echad? Thanks.

My Recent Posts · (10/22/08

The word is אֲחָדִים/ahadim.

Genesis 11:1
Genesis 27:44
Genesis 29:20
Daniel 11:20
Ezekiel 37:17 (la-ahadim)

Ahadim means a few, several, some, along those lines.

My Recent Posts · (10/23/08

Netanel wrote:
Genesis 11:1
Genesis 27:44
Genesis 29:26 ***
Daniel 11:20
Ezekiel 37:17 (la-ahadim)

*** should be B'réshιt 29:20, not 29:26.

My Recent Posts · (10/23/08

Oops. Thanks for correcting me Professor, I will correct this in my post.

My Recent Posts · (10/23/08

Shalom Messiahist,
Be prepared for the xian's "comeback"---they usually say echad can be a "compound unity" and give the example, (in English of course because they don't read or understand Hebrew) that a "cluster of grapes is still 'ONE', and a dining room SET (table and chairs) is still 'ONE' set".... When they use examples like these, it just shows they are ignorant of the English language also. Much luch in your endeavors.

My Recent Posts · (10/23/08

"One" means "one" in any language. One (echad) in Hebrew -- even in counting!

As you said, many Chrstians try to somehow insist that it is a "complex unity" so they can force fit three into one (as in trinity). Take for example one drop of water. Then consider one ocean. One ocean contains trillions of drops of water, but it is still ONE OCEAN.

One G-d is not three gods neither is G-d compartmentalized into multiple gods or iterations. While we, in our limited capacity, try to describe Him using various terms we are just trying to use our limited understanding to describe the indescribable -- it doesn't change the fact that He is ONE G-D.

The Chrstians who try to insist that echad is a complex unity then say that yachid is actually singular for "one." Huh?

The "im" ending in Hebrew is often assumed by those who don't know Hebrew well to mean plurality. Very often the "im" ending is used to emphasize the majesty (importance) of something.

My Recent Posts · (10/23/08

The christians who try to advance these spurious arguments are very ignorant and do not appreciate that Hebrew does not utilise singular and plural forms in anything like the same way that modern European languages do. As an example, are the nouns "days", "nights" and "years" in the phrases "forty days and forty nights" and "forty years" singular or plural? Obviously they are plural, and yet in Hebrew these phrases are

אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם וְאַרְבָּעִים לַיְלָה
arba'im YOM v'arba'im LAYLAH (B'réshιt 7:4, 7:12; Shmot 24:18, 34:28; D'varim 9:9, 9:11, 9:18, 10:10; M'lachim Alef 19:8)

and

אַרְבָּעִים שָׁנָה
arba'im SHANAH (37 occurrences in all)

respectively - not once do we find

אַרְבָּעִים יָמִים וְאַרְבָּעִים לֵילוֹת
arba'im YAMIM v'arba'im LEILOT

or

אַרְבָּעִים שָׁנִים
arba'im SHANIM,

although the time Yonah spent in the fish's belly is given as

שְׁלֹשָׁה יָמִים וּשְׁלֹשָׁה לֵילוֹת
shloshah YAMIM u-shloshah LEILOT (Yonah 2:1)

and we find frequently, for example,

שָׁלֹשׁ שָׁנִים
shalosh SHANIM (17 occurrences in all).

These few examples should suffice to demonstrate that the way Hebrew uses singular and plural forms differs significantly from the way that the corresponding singular and plural forms are used in modern European languages, such as English.

My Recent Posts · (10/25/08

hadassah wrote:
Shalom Messiahist,
Be prepared for the xian's "comeback"---they usually say echad can be a "compound unity" and give the example, (in English of course because they don't read or understand Hebrew) that a "cluster of grapes is still 'ONE', and a dining room SET (table and chairs) is still 'ONE' set".... When they use examples like these, it just shows they are ignorant of the English language also. Much luch in your endeavors.

Hadassah

Whenever I've seen a xian make this argument, they also always insist that the compound always means three, never five, seven or a thousand. When they do this, it is easy to see that they make the words mean what they require them to mean, to force fit their beliefs.

My Recent Posts · (10/25/08

Netanel wrote:
Ahadim means a few, several, some, along those lines.

It is clear from B'réshιt 29:20

וַיַּֽעֲבֹ֧ד יַֽעֲקֹ֛ב בְּרָחֵ֖ל שֶׁ֣בַע שָׁנִ֑ים וַיִּֽהְי֤וּ בְעֵינָיו֙ כְּיָמִ֣ים אֲחָדִ֔ים בְּאַֽהֲבָת֖וֹ אֹתָֽהּ׃
....so Ya'akov worked for seven years in return for Rahel, and he loved her so much that they seemed like just a few days to him!"

that the implication of אֲחָדִים ahadim is to limit the number of things being counted.

My Recent Posts · (10/25/08

Very true. As Ezekah commented, Christian attempts to re-interpret words like ehad are completely biased, and have nothing to do with trying to accurately translate the word. If it truly meant what they wish to interpret it as then there would be no cap on how many entities are encompassed in the "unity". They want to interpret it to mean a united compound, but then they want to limit how many entities are encompassed in that "thing" using nothing but their biased belief of a three-in-one god.

My Recent Posts · (03/12/09

I've been looking in the MT forum for more info on Echad/Yachid, but haven't found quite what I'm looking for. Sophiee has written that the grammar of Deut 6:4 means Yachid could not fit there, and that yachid is a noun, not adjective. Do you have a list of the 9 (I think) places where "yachid" is written, and could you explain the grammar noun/adjective in this context for me?

Many thanks

My Recent Posts · (03/12/09

Yahid
Yirm'yahu 6:26
'Amos 8:10
T'hillim 25:16

V'yahid
Mishlei 4:3

Hayyahid
Z'charyah 12:10

Y'hid'cha
B'résh-t 22:2, 12 (Yuku won't allow me to transliterate properly)

Y'hidecha
B'résh-t 22:16

Y'hidim
T'hillim 68:7

I may be wrong, but I think Sophiee might have been thinking of yahad rather than yahid. As it is said in Sh'muél Bét 14:16

כִּי יִשְׁמַע הַמֶּלֶךְ לְהַצִּיל אֶת-אֲמָתוֹ מִכַּף הָאִישׁ לְהַשְׁמִיד אֹתִי וְאֶת-בְּנִי יַחַד מִנַּחֲלַת אֱלֹהִים
16. For the king will hear, to deliver his maidservant from the hand of the man [that would] destroy me and my son together out of the inheritance of God.

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searchingjew wrote:
Do you have a list of the 9 (I think) places where "yachid" is written, and could you explain the grammar noun/adjective in this context for me?

The several declined inflections of the noun יָחִיד yahid occur in 12 scriptural verses:

יְחִידְךָ in B'réshιt 22:2, 22:12
יְחִידֶֽךָ (the pausal form) in B'réshιt 22:16
יְחִידָה in Shoftim 11:34
יָחִיד in Yirm'yahu 6:26, 'Amos 8:10 and T'hillim 25:16
הַיָּחִיד in Z'charyah 12:10
יְחִידָתִי in T'hillim 22:21 and 35:17
וְיָחִיד in Mishlei 4:3
and the plural (!) יְחִידִים in T'hillim 68:7

I am not quite sure what you mean by the second part of your question, could you possibly reephrase it please?

My Recent Posts · (03/12/09

OK. Thanks, Netanel. Could you explain why that word Yachid (or the derivative of) would not work in Deut. 6:4? I'm not sure I understand.

My Recent Posts · (03/12/09

ProfBenTziyyon, what essentially I asked was why the word Yachid could not be used in Deut. 6:4. Sophiee mentioned earlier about the grammar of that sentence only allowing echad to be used, and how echad is an adjective but yachid is a noun. Frankly, I'm a bit confused...Why exactly could this word NOT be used in the Shema? Thx

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I can see no grammatical reason why you can't say יְיָ יָחִיד, but that is not what Mosheh wrote − he wrote יְיָ אֶחָד. If you substitute יָחִיד for אֶחָד, you change the meaning of the sentence from "Adonai is One" to "Adonai is an individual".

My Recent Posts · (03/12/09

Yachid can be either a noun or an adjective. If I stated that it could not be an adjective I was mistaken -- I may have had a point about the context of Deuteronomy 6:4, but if so I have forgotten what it was!

The real issue is whether echad means "one" or if it is a complex unity (which some Chrstians then use to justify the idea of a trinity). They say that yachid is actually singular for "one" and echad is plural -- aka the trinity.

This is patently false. Yachid appears once in the Torah and it says:

(Devarim 33:5) "...the heads of the people and the tribes of Israel were together (Yachid)."

It is used much more in the Tanach, but let's just look at its use in Isaiah:

22:3 - "All of your rulers have fled yachid (together)" יַחַד
27:4 - "...I would burn them yachid (together)" יָּחַד
42:14 - "...I will gasp and pant yachid (together)" יָחַד
43:26 - "...let us plead yachid (together)" יָחַד
44:11 - "...and they shall be ashamed yachid (together)" יָחַד
45:8 - "... let them bring forth salvation and righteousness springing up yachid (together)..." יַחַד
50:8 - "...let us stand yachid (together)..." יָּחַד

My Recent Posts · (03/12/09

Hi Sophiee, the verses you gave is the word YACHAD, not YACHID. It's the word YACHID I'm trying to figure out. Thx

My Recent Posts · (03/12/09

Can you write it out in Hebrew? Is it יחיד or יחד?

יחד can be an adjective or verb. יחיד can be an adjective or noun.

Transliterations seem to confuse more than elucidate.

When it comes to grammar I'm going to leave that to the likes of UriYosef or Mordochai who are far better grammarians than I.

My Recent Posts · (03/12/09

Sophie,

You keep writing "yachid" when you mean yahad (יָחַד). The verse in D'varim reads וַיְהִ֥י בִֽישֻׁר֖וּן מֶ֑לֶךְ בְּהִתְאַסֵּף֙ רָ֣אשֵׁי עָ֔ם יַ֖חַד שִׁבְטֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃ "....yahad shivtei yisrael", and yet you wrote "the tribes of Israel were together (Yachid)." In any case, I cannot agree with your translation because the word is יַֽחַד (the constructive case) rather than יָֽחַד (the absolute form), so the verse means "He [God] was King in Y'shurun whenever the leaders of the people were assembled with the Collective of the tribes of Yisrael"

However "searchingjew" was not asking about יָֽחַד yahad, but about יָחִיד yahid. No wonder you confuse everyone − myself included!

My Recent Posts · (03/12/09

Transliterations seem to confuse more than elucidate. Sorry for the confusion.

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The Messiahist	Echadim?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1 (10/22/08 17:30:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I know I found the word echadim somewhere in Jeremiah or some other prophet's writing. Does anyone know what passage this word is found in? I am trying to argue against christian theologians who try to pervert the word echad to mean that there is three. I have already written a good document on it, but showing a passage with echadim would help the cause. Also, could you explain the word echadim as opposed to echad? Thanks.
Netanel		#1	[-]
Posts: 1387 (10/22/08 22:46:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The word is אֲחָדִים/ahadim. Genesis 11:1 Genesis 27:44 Genesis 29:20 Daniel 11:20 Ezekiel 37:17 (la-ahadim) Ahadim means a few, several, some, along those lines. Last Edited By: Netanel 10/23/08 07:42:28. Edited 1 times.
ProfBenTziyyon	Corrigendum	#2	[-]
Posts: 1359 (10/23/08 07:19:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Netanel wrote: Genesis 11:1 Genesis 27:44 Genesis 29:26 *** Daniel 11:20 Ezekiel 37:17 (la-ahadim) *** should be B'réshιt 29:20, not 29:26. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
Netanel		#3	[-]
Posts: 1388 (10/23/08 07:41:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Oops. Thanks for correcting me Professor, I will correct this in my post.
hadassah	perverting the word echad	#4	[-]
Posts: 127 (10/23/08 08:20:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Shalom Messiahist, Be prepared for the xian's "comeback"---they usually say echad can be a "compound unity" and give the example, (in English of course because they don't read or understand Hebrew) that a "cluster of grapes is still 'ONE', and a dining room SET (table and chairs) is still 'ONE' set".... When they use examples like these, it just shows they are ignorant of the English language also. Much luch in your endeavors.
Sophiee1		#5	[-]
Posts: 11380 (10/23/08 09:42:50) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"One" means "one" in any language. One (echad) in Hebrew -- even in counting! As you said, many Chrstians try to somehow insist that it is a "complex unity" so they can force fit three into one (as in trinity). Take for example one drop of water. Then consider one ocean. One ocean contains trillions of drops of water, but it is still ONE OCEAN. One G-d is not three gods neither is G-d compartmentalized into multiple gods or iterations. While we, in our limited capacity, try to describe Him using various terms we are just trying to use our limited understanding to describe the indescribable -- it doesn't change the fact that He is ONE G-D. The Chrstians who try to insist that echad is a complex unity then say that yachid is actually singular for "one." Huh? The "im" ending in Hebrew is often assumed by those who don't know Hebrew well to mean plurality. Very often the "im" ending is used to emphasize the majesty (importance) of something. סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12 Last Edited By: UriYosef 10/23/08 14:04:32. Edited 1 times.
ProfBenTziyyon		#6	[-]
Posts: 1360 (10/23/08 16:01:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The christians who try to advance these spurious arguments are very ignorant and do not appreciate that Hebrew does not utilise singular and plural forms in anything like the same way that modern European languages do. As an example, are the nouns "days", "nights" and "years" in the phrases "forty days and forty nights" and "forty years" singular or plural? Obviously they are plural, and yet in Hebrew these phrases are אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם וְאַרְבָּעִים לַיְלָה arba'im YOM v'arba'im LAYLAH (B'réshιt 7:4, 7:12; Shmot 24:18, 34:28; D'varim 9:9, 9:11, 9:18, 10:10; M'lachim Alef 19:8) and אַרְבָּעִים שָׁנָה arba'im SHANAH (37 occurrences in all) respectively - not once do we find אַרְבָּעִים יָמִים וְאַרְבָּעִים לֵילוֹת arba'im YAMIM v'arba'im LEILOT or אַרְבָּעִים שָׁנִים arba'im SHANIM, although the time Yonah spent in the fish's belly is given as שְׁלֹשָׁה יָמִים וּשְׁלֹשָׁה לֵילוֹת shloshah YAMIM u-shloshah LEILOT (Yonah 2:1) and we find frequently, for example, שָׁלֹשׁ שָׁנִים shalosh SHANIM (17 occurrences in all). These few examples should suffice to demonstrate that the way Hebrew uses singular and plural forms differs significantly from the way that the corresponding singular and plural forms are used in modern European languages, such as English. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
Ezekah		#7	[-]
Posts: 147 (10/25/08 16:21:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	hadassah wrote: Shalom Messiahist, Be prepared for the xian's "comeback"---they usually say echad can be a "compound unity" and give the example, (in English of course because they don't read or understand Hebrew) that a "cluster of grapes is still 'ONE', and a dining room SET (table and chairs) is still 'ONE' set".... When they use examples like these, it just shows they are ignorant of the English language also. Much luch in your endeavors. Hadassah Whenever I've seen a xian make this argument, they also always insist that the compound always means three, never five, seven or a thousand. When they do this, it is easy to see that they make the words mean what they require them to mean, to force fit their beliefs.
ProfBenTziyyon		#8	[-]
Posts: 1366 (10/25/08 20:41:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Netanel wrote: Ahadim means a few, several, some, along those lines. It is clear from B'réshιt 29:20 וַיַּֽעֲבֹ֧ד יַֽעֲקֹ֛ב בְּרָחֵ֖ל שֶׁ֣בַע שָׁנִ֑ים וַיִּֽהְי֤וּ בְעֵינָיו֙ כְּיָמִ֣ים אֲחָדִ֔ים בְּאַֽהֲבָת֖וֹ אֹתָֽהּ׃ *....so Ya'akov* worked for seven years in return for Rahel, and he loved her so much that they seemed like just a few days to him!"** that the implication of אֲחָדִים ahadim is to limit the number of things being counted. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
Netanel		#9	[-]
Posts: 1395 (10/25/08 20:48:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Very true. As Ezekah commented, Christian attempts to re-interpret words like ehad are completely biased, and have nothing to do with trying to accurately translate the word. If it truly meant what they wish to interpret it as then there would be no cap on how many entities are encompassed in the "unity". They want to interpret it to mean a united compound, but then they want to limit how many entities are encompassed in that "thing" using nothing but their biased belief of a three-in-one god.
searchingjew		#10	[-]
Posts: 23 (03/12/09 15:02:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've been looking in the MT forum for more info on Echad/Yachid, but haven't found quite what I'm looking for. Sophiee has written that the grammar of Deut 6:4 means Yachid could not fit there, and that yachid is a noun, not adjective. Do you have a list of the 9 (I think) places where "yachid" is written, and could you explain the grammar noun/adjective in this context for me? Many thanks
Netanel		#11	[-]
Posts: 1641 (03/12/09 15:37:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Yahid* Yirm'yahu 6:26 'Amos 8:10 T'hillim 25:16 *V'yahid* Mishlei 4:3 *Hayyahid* Z'charyah 12:10 *Y'hid'cha* B'résh-t 22:2, 12 (Yuku won't allow me to transliterate properly) *Y'hidecha* B'résh-t 22:16 *Y'hidim* T'hillim 68:7 I may be wrong, but I think Sophiee might have been thinking of yahad rather than yahid. As it is said in Sh'muél Bét 14:16 כִּי יִשְׁמַע הַמֶּלֶךְ לְהַצִּיל אֶת-אֲמָתוֹ מִכַּף הָאִישׁ לְהַשְׁמִיד אֹתִי וְאֶת-בְּנִי יַחַד מִנַּחֲלַת אֱלֹהִים 16. For the king will hear, to deliver his maidservant from the hand of the man [that would] destroy me and my son together out of the inheritance of God. Last Edited By: Netanel 03/12/09 15:40:41. Edited 1 times.
ProfBenTziyyon		#12	[-]
Posts: 1815 (03/12/09 15:51:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	searchingjew wrote: Do you have a list of the 9 (I think) places where "yachid" is written, and could you explain the grammar noun/adjective in this context for me? The several declined inflections of the noun יָחִיד yahid occur in 12 scriptural verses: יְחִידְךָ in B'réshιt 22:2, 22:12 יְחִידֶֽךָ (the pausal form) in B'réshιt 22:16 יְחִידָה in Shoftim 11:34 יָחִיד in Yirm'yahu 6:26, 'Amos 8:10 and T'hillim 25:16 הַיָּחִיד in Z'charyah 12:10 יְחִידָתִי in T'hillim 22:21 and 35:17 וְיָחִיד in Mishlei 4:3 and the plural (!) יְחִידִים in T'hillim 68:7 I am not quite sure what you mean by the second part of your question, could you possibly reephrase it please? http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
searchingjew		#13	[-]
Posts: 24 (03/12/09 15:56:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	OK. Thanks, Netanel. Could you explain why that word Yachid (or the derivative of) would not work in Deut. 6:4? I'm not sure I understand.
searchingjew		#14	[-]
Posts: 25 (03/12/09 16:07:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	ProfBenTziyyon, what essentially I asked was why the word Yachid could not be used in Deut. 6:4. Sophiee mentioned earlier about the grammar of that sentence only allowing echad to be used, and how echad is an adjective but yachid is a noun. Frankly, I'm a bit confused...Why exactly could this word NOT be used in the Shema? Thx
ProfBenTziyyon		#15	[-]
Posts: 1816 (03/12/09 17:09:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I can see no grammatical reason why you can't say יְיָ יָחִיד, but that is not what Mosheh wrote − he *wrote* יְיָ אֶחָד. If you substitute יָחִיד for אֶחָד, you change the meaning of the sentence from "Adonai is One" to "Adonai is an individual". http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
Sophiee1		#16	[-]
Posts: 11938 (03/12/09 17:16:29) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yachid can be either a noun or an adjective. If I stated that it could not be an adjective I was mistaken -- I may have had a point about the context of Deuteronomy 6:4, but if so I have forgotten what it was! The real issue is whether echad means "one" or if it is a complex unity (which some Chrstians then use to justify the idea of a trinity). They say that yachid is actually singular for "one" and echad is plural -- aka the trinity. This is patently false. Yachid appears once in the Torah and it says: (Devarim 33:5) "...the heads of the people and the tribes of Israel were together (Yachid)." It is used much more in the Tanach, but let's just look at its use in Isaiah: 22:3 - "All of your rulers have fled yachid (together)" יַחַד 27:4 - "...I would burn them yachid (together)" יָּחַד 42:14 - "...I will gasp and pant yachid (together)" יָחַד 43:26 - "...let us plead yachid (together)" יָחַד 44:11 - "...and they shall be ashamed yachid (together)" יָחַד 45:8 - "... let them bring forth salvation and righteousness springing up yachid (together)..." יַחַד 50:8 - "...let us stand yachid (together)..." יָּחַד סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
searchingjew		#17	[-]
Posts: 26 (03/12/09 17:22:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hi Sophiee, the verses you gave is the word YACHAD, not YACHID. It's the word YACHID I'm trying to figure out. Thx
Sophiee1		#18	[-]
Posts: 11939 (03/12/09 17:46:10) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Can you write it out in Hebrew? Is it יחיד or יחד? יחד can be an adjective or verb. יחיד can be an adjective or noun. Transliterations seem to confuse more than elucidate. When it comes to grammar I'm going to leave that to the likes of UriYosef or Mordochai who are far better grammarians than I. סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
ProfBenTziyyon		#19	[-]
Posts: 1817 (03/12/09 18:22:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sophie, You keep writing "yachid" when you mean yahad (יָחַד). The verse in D'varim reads וַיְהִ֥י בִֽישֻׁר֖וּן מֶ֑לֶךְ בְּהִתְאַסֵּף֙ רָ֣אשֵׁי עָ֔ם יַ֖חַד שִׁבְטֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃ "....yahad shivtei yisrael", and yet you wrote "the tribes of Israel were together (Yachid)." In any case, I cannot agree with your translation because the word is יַֽחַד (the constructive case) rather than יָֽחַד (the absolute form), so the verse means "He [God] was King in Y'shurun whenever the leaders of the people were assembled with the Collective of the tribes of Yisrael" However "searchingjew" was not asking about יָֽחַד yahad, but about יָחִיד yahid. No wonder you confuse everyone − myself included! http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
Sophiee1		#20	[-]
Posts: 11940 (03/12/09 18:54:10) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Transliterations seem to confuse more than elucidate. Sorry for the confusion. סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12

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