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christopher |
What Happens to Christians? |
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What happens to Christians after death for believing Jesus is diety? Will they go to an eternal hell?
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UriYosef |
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Christopher -
Unlike Christianity, there is no "eternal hell" in Judaism - there is no such phrase, nor is there a word for "hell", present in the Hebrew Bible. The basic belief, as I understand it, is that there is an "after-life" for almost everyone, except for the profoundly wicked (the "Hitlers" of the world, such as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ahmadinejad, et. al.) whose souls, according to the Talmud, are destroyed. UriYosef |
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Pamela Susette |
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All my life growing up, my parents' church taught about hell. I can remember those scary films my parents church would play. After watching those films
many people would come to Jesus for fear of going to hell. And of course they would share with friends and relatives about this horrible place and how if they
didn't want to go there then they needed to accept Jesus.
I remember reading here about Gehinom being more like purgatory then hell. And I hope and pray that the Jewish believe on Gehinom is more truthful then the teaching about hell. My children have a cartoon about Zeus and the god of the underworld and the god of the underworld seems more like satan and the underworld seems more like hell. I also read some articles on people who have died and went to hell. How does one know what is true or not? I like to know the truth. Do I go by people who have died or what the Torah says or what the Christian Bible says? The picture is of my grandson, isn't he grand, isn't he sweet? Children are gifts from the Lord but to have a grandson is a double blessing from the Lord. |
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Rabbi Daniel |
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The best thing would certainly be to go by people who have died but are they the ones who wrote those article about themselves or did somebody living write
them for them? Because then you can't trust it.
Without access to dead people next you have to rely on your common sense and rationale. If you can find a website that can gives you a few hundred reasons how one text lacks the integrity you'd expect from a Divine text than chances are it was not Divinely written.
The Torah calls Yishmael 'pereh adam.' Not a man who appears wild but wild who appears a man.
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Pamela Susette |
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Yes I agree with you. It would make more since to go by what people have seen when they have died. To my knowledge they wrote the articles. There are also
articles of people who died and went to Heaven like 90 minutes in Heaven. Do you have any resources about hell being a real place or not?
The picture is of my grandson, isn't he grand, isn't he sweet? Children are gifts from the Lord but to have a grandson is a double blessing from the Lord. |
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RabbiEzriel |
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As the Seudas Purim (festive Purim meal) is over, the rebbetzin is putting away the mishloach manos, and the kids are busy either learning or playing, I have a
few minutes to drop in.
Pamela, as Professor Yosef wrote, Jews do not believe in "eternal damnation" or an eternal hell. So we would probably be the last source for eresources on the christian version of hell. With that in mind, our version of Gehinom, is a kind of dry cleaning service, where the stains of one's sins are removed from one's soul, and the maximum time in Gehinom for someone who was wicked is 12 months. After that, the cleanng process is complete, and the soul goes on to its reward. That being said, as Professor Yosef correctly wrote, there are several classes of people whose transgressions are so great and are rooted in a dusbelief in the One True G-d. These souls have no share in the world to come, but are rather sent to the Recycle Bin and then to the shredder. Of course, I have been in a couple of meetings at the office that I can consider o be meetings in hell, but I am not sure that this is what you mean. Rabbi Ezriel Yellin
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Pamela Susette |
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RabbiEzriel wrote: The picture is of my grandson, isn't he grand, isn't he sweet? Children are gifts from the Lord but to have a grandson is a double blessing from the Lord. |
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RabbiEzriel |
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Could you please tell me what those list of sins would be?Any transgression based on the denial or disbelief in G-d.
Now how did they know that they were in hell? Was there a Welcome to Hell sign in the lobby? The christian belief in eternal damnation and hell is based on pagan beliefs and customs. There is no source for it in the Torah. Those who allegedly died, went to hell, then returned...I do not buy it at all. Sorry. Rabbi Ezriel Yellin
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Pamela Susette |
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Could it be that they thought they were in Hell but they were in Gehinom? Do all souls suffer in Gehinom?
The picture is of my grandson, isn't he grand, isn't he sweet? Children are gifts from the Lord but to have a grandson is a double blessing from the Lord. |
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RabbiEzriel |
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Pamela,
As far as I know, the time of the resurrection of the dead has not yet come, although I missed listening to the news this morning. For now, once someone is dead, in the immortal words of Porky Pig, "That's all, folks!"
As for where these "dead who came back from a trip to hell",
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I will have to be blunt. They were visiting their own subconscious minds. If that is their hell, then I do feel sorry for them. Rabbi Ezriel Yellin
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ZosHaTorah |
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I'm not sure the original poster's question has been answered here, although the dialog has been interesting. Chrstopher wanted to know what happens to
the X-tian in the afterlife for believing in Jsus.
The way I look at it, X-tians are only obligated to follow the 7 Noahide Laws. And if they believe in their man-god, then they have violated the first Noahide Law: Idolatry is forbidden. Man is commanded to believe in the One G-d alone and worship only Him. So if a X-tian believes in Jsus, he is an idolator, and I would guess his share in Olam Haba would be very minimal at best. |
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Rabbi Daniel |
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The original poster had moved on about 14 months ago.
It's a fair assumption he heard what he wanted to hear. Rabbi Ezriel has been answering Mrs. Susette's questions.
The Torah calls Yishmael 'pereh adam.' Not a man who appears wild but wild who appears a man.
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Pamela Susette |
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Most Christians believe that Jesus is God so to them they are worshiping the one true God.
The picture is of my grandson, isn't he grand, isn't he sweet? Children are gifts from the Lord but to have a grandson is a double blessing from the Lord. |
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Just because they "believe it" doesn't make it so. They are idolaters if they worship Jsus as a god, even worse if they think he is the one true
G-d. Did they learn nothing from Parsha Ki Tisa, just past? (Hint: think golden calf).
G-d is not a man PERIOD. G-d is unchanging. Its right there in Torah, not to mention 'nach: Quote: And Quote: This is often mistranslated as, "I Am Who I Am," but that is not a very good translation. The term Ehyeh is a first person future tense conjugation of the verb "to be." So Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh translated should read: "I will be what I will be" This clearly says that G-d is as He will be. He is unchanging. He will be in the future exactly as He was to Moses. He is not a man and He will never be a man. So we have statement after statement clearly saying G-d is not a man and never will be one. We have clear statements saying G-d does not change. He is what He is. He will be what He will be. Go back a few lines in Exodus 3. G-d says: Quote: Then we have: Quote: But perhaps the most important part comes next. G-d has just told us He is the G-d of the past the G-d of our fathers. The G-d of Abraham, of Isaac, of Jacob. He has then told us He is the G-d of the future I will be what I will be. This is my name FOREVER. This is how I should be mentioned in every generation. His name FOREVER. J-sus was a god they did not know (Deuteronomy 13) a god who was a man (G-d is not a man) and a god with a different name (J-sus). Not J-sus. Not a man-god. G-d is not a man. G-d is unchanging. Quote: This is His name forever. This shows clearly that G-d will NEVER be a man. And lest you have any doubts left: Quote: "I am HaShem; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another" (Isaiah 42:7). G-d is the Supreme Being, and there is none other besides Him! Deuteronomy 4:35 HaShem, He is G-d in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other! Deuteronomy 4:39 There is none beside You; neither is there any Rock like our G-d. 1 Samuel 2:2 You alone, O L-rd, are G-d 2 Kings 19:19 Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me. I, even I, am HaShem, and besides Me there is no Savior. Isaiah 43:11
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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RabbiEzriel |
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Most Christians believe that Jesus is God so to them they are worshiping the one true God. Rabbi Ezriel Yellin
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