UriYosef wrote:
There were several posts left over from "JCDefender" that were not released since he never answered the questions posed to him.
What a surprise.
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UriYosef wrote:
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There is a split among the ribbonim as to the future of animal sacrifices. Some say yes. Some say no. Some say we will wait and see. Lest Pesach a rav who
calls himself the "kitniyot rabbi" (a bit odd and needs to find his place in the world, but not a bad fellow), decided to make a korban pesach on a
hiltop where you could see the temple mount. A lot of folks gathered and brought picnic lunches just for the experience (and it was a nice day), and they
brought up the lamb and the shochet did a quick slice and in a few seconds the critter was dead.
And most of the people there went "eeeeeeeeewwwww!" and some went green. (And some lunches went unfinished). And I think that brings out a great point. Most people today can't relate to a chorbon, and the idea that "making sacred" is an experience where one feels closer to the Creator, and not feeling lik his or her lunch is going to be hurled. It's supposed to be a spriritual experience. (Frankly, if I had to slaughter my own chickens, I'd probably never eat them). We live in a different time and a different place (in more ways than one). So either we are going to one day relate to slaughter and it will be a spiritual expression for us, or we will be doing something else. We will have to wait and see. May we experience that soon! |
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Why are there animal sacrifices in the Torah?
G-d needs nothing. Therefore sacrifices must be for US and not for G-d. So why do humans need animal sacrifice? Because seeing an animal die in front of you, seeing the blood and the total waste of what had been alive a moment before should be scary. It should make us realize our own mortality. It should make us realize that we are a breath away from dying. Teens are notorious for thinking they are invincible. Seeing a friend die in a car crash, or another friend become an unwed mother -- these can be life altering by example, and so it is with sacrifice (qorban). Rambam suggested that qorban was ordained as an accommodation of man's primitive desires. Quote:www.shemayisrael.co.il/parsha/kornfeld/archives/vayikra58.htm
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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i wrote: Luke 2:21-24: "After eight days had passed, it was time to circumcise the child; and he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb. 22 When the time came for their purification according to the law of Moses, they brought him up to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord 23 (as it is written in the law of the Lord, "Every firstborn male shall be designated as holy to the Lord"), 24 and they offered a sacrifice according to what is stated in the law of the Lord, "a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons." Which member of trinity did they offer a sacrifice to? the delivered baby god or the father god? what was the point of the sacrifice of a pair of poor turtle doves? didn't the holy ghost god, before he overshadowed mary, inform her that the son god would sacrifice himself to himself and his sacrifice would be greater than 2 turtle doves? don't you think that the least the holy ghost god could of done was to inform her about the ultimate man-god suicide on the cross?the truth is luke and mark did not see the REVAMPED born argain doctrines which came after them. my questions: when was the last time you heard that modern day christians sacrificed animals to god? don't they believe the practice mentioned in luke 2:24 is OBSOLETE? can anyone explain the point behind offering a sacrifice to God after the birth of a child in the hebrew bible? please help me out. is there any LINK to repentance? i am saying mary and joseph's sacrifice seems to be useless because according to paul the man-god killed himself before he became "flesh" on earth. |
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drashi wrote:Shalom Drashi Judaism is evolving. We don't have to do the exact same things as literally mentioned in the Tanakh and we can still be good observant Jews. |
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Sophiee1 wrote:
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
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Ezekah wrote: True. "Make yourself a Rav..." is the edict that one should find a teacher who can direct him or her down the straight path. Rabbi Avraham Kook was a proponent of vegetarianism, although with the caveat that it is not for everyone, and that the world of his day was not ready for it, indicating that in the future, that there will no longer be a need for animal sacrifice. Of course he was part of that particular camp that held it to be the most desirable thing. I side with him on that, but I am not ready to give up my juicy grilled burgers yet!
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haglered: Your excessive quotes from the perverted KJV's "Old Testament" and your "preaching"
indicate that you have not familiarized yourself with the rules of our discussion boards and, thus, the contents of this post were removed. Please read the
Rules of the General Judaism Forum and strive to comply
with them if you plan to post again on this forum; each forum has its rules "pinned" near the top of the list of topics (UY).
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In a nutshell, "General Judaism" is for discussions related to Judaism, not other religions. If you have QUESTIONS regarding Judaism compared to
other religions the most appropriate forum is most likely the
Counter-Missionary Forum
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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I've skipped through some of the posts as they were confusing me and they didn't seem to be about animal sacrifice. Does animal sacrifice have to be in
the temple? I thought Abraham made an altar to sacrifice and it wasn't in the temple, and so did Able. I do know that G-d does desire sacrifice but loving
kindness. But just thought that I should bring up this question as it has bugged me for years.
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jji wrote:Before the Torah was given, there was no specific place named where a sacrifice could be offered to God. Once the Torah was given to Israel at Mount Sinai, this changed, because in it God specifies that sacrifices to Him had to be offered in a place the He has designated. Several passages speak to this, such as - While Israel was in the wilderness on the way to the Promised Land, that place was the (portable) Sancturay. Once they arrived in the Land of Israel, there was no permanent place for a couple hundred years till King Solomon built the First Temple in Jerusalem, which was in the territory of the Tribe of Judah. When the First Temple was destroyed by the Babylonians, there was no place sacrifices could be offered until the Second Temple was built in the place where the First Temple once stood. The Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE, and since that time there has not been a place where sacrifices can be offered. According to our tradition, the Third Temple will be built in Jerusalem by the promised Jewish Messiah. UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!!
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jji wrote:
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
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ProfBenTziyyon wrote:If your question was serious, "Able" is the anglicized version of הֶבֶל (Hevel) - not everyone knows the Hebrew names in the T'nach because almost all translations have anglicized them. Otherwise, I would call this "nit-picking" via a sense of humor that may not be recognized as such by some new participants. UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!! |
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ProfBenTziyyon wrote: I think he meant, "does not desire sacrifice" most likely taken from Hosea 6:6. Psalm 40:7 and Psalm 51:18 does mention something similar as well. |
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SearchinMyRoots wrote:
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל |
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ProfBenTziyyon |
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UriYosef wrote:
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל |
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Mordocha,
You are correct. The standard angicized name is "Abel", not "Able", so I take it that the poste simple misspelled it, though it was rather obvious to whom he was referring. UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!! |
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ProfBenTziyyon |
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UriYosef wrote:
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל |
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honest mistake must've typed it wrong, and what's worse I tried to look for a Hebrew Bible yesterday and I couldn't find one, all I have is the KJV
which I don't really like to read anymore. Thanks for the heads up.
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UriYosef |
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jji wrote:If you're interested in a rather good online English translation of the Hebrew Bible, you can find it here. If you want to purchase a good one for around $30, I recommend this one. UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!! |
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