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ProfBenTziyyon		#61	[-]
Posts: 2116 (06/06/09 22:06:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	UriYosef wrote: There were several posts left over from "JCDefender" that were not released since *he never answered the questions posed to him.* What a surprise. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
drashi		#62	[-]
Posts: 626 (06/07/09 00:43:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	There is a split among the ribbonim as to the future of animal sacrifices. Some say yes. Some say no. Some say we will wait and see. Lest Pesach a rav who calls himself the "kitniyot rabbi" (a bit odd and needs to find his place in the world, but not a bad fellow), decided to make a korban pesach on a hiltop where you could see the temple mount. A lot of folks gathered and brought picnic lunches just for the experience (and it was a nice day), and they brought up the lamb and the shochet did a quick slice and in a few seconds the critter was dead. And most of the people there went "eeeeeeeeewwwww!" and some went green. (And some lunches went unfinished). And I think that brings out a great point. Most people today can't relate to a chorbon, and the idea that "making sacred" is an experience where one feels closer to the Creator, and not feeling lik his or her lunch is going to be hurled. It's supposed to be a spriritual experience. (Frankly, if I had to slaughter my own chickens, I'd probably never eat them). We live in a different time and a different place (in more ways than one). So either we are going to one day relate to slaughter and it will be a spiritual expression for us, or we will be doing something else. We will have to wait and see. May we experience that soon!
Sophiee1	Not that anyone asked. . .	#63	[-]
Posts: 12291 (06/07/09 09:08:48) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Why are there animal sacrifices in the Torah? G-d needs nothing. Therefore sacrifices must be for US and not for G-d. So why do humans need animal sacrifice? Because seeing an animal die in front of you, seeing the blood and the total waste of what had been alive a moment before should be scary. It should make us realize our own mortality. It should make us realize that we are a breath away from dying. Teens are notorious for thinking they are invincible. Seeing a friend die in a car crash, or another friend become an unwed mother -- these can be life altering by example, and so it is with sacrifice (qorban). Rambam suggested that qorban was ordained as an accommodation of man's primitive desires. *Quote:* In his Guide to the Perplexed (3:46), the Rambam explains that the nations of the world that worshipped animals generally worshipped one of three domestic animals: either sheep (as did the Egyptians, Targum Onkeles Shemot 8:22), goats (as in Vayikra 17:7) or cows (as in India, until today). In order to remove any reverent thoughts for these animals from Jewish minds, Hashem commanded us to take specifically these three animals, and to slaughter them and burn them on the Mizbe'ach. (In ch. 3:32 of the Guide, the Rambam offers yet another approach to the matter of sacrifices.) www.shemayisrael.co.il/parsha/kornfeld/archives/vayikra58.htm סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
mredd	tx	#64	[-]
Posts: 10 (06/13/09 07:40:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	i wrote: Luke 2:21-24: "After eight days had passed, it was time to circumcise the child; and he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb. 22 When the time came for their purification according to the law of Moses, they brought him up to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord 23 (as it is written in the law of the Lord, "Every firstborn male shall be designated as holy to the Lord"), 24 and they offered a sacrifice according to what is stated in the law of the Lord, "a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons." Which member of trinity did they offer a sacrifice to? the delivered baby god or the father god? what was the point of the sacrifice of a pair of poor turtle doves? didn't the holy ghost god, before he overshadowed mary, inform her that the son god would sacrifice himself to himself and his sacrifice would be greater than 2 turtle doves? don't you think that the least the holy ghost god could of done was to inform her about the ultimate man-god suicide on the cross?the truth is luke and mark did not see the REVAMPED born argain doctrines which came after them. my questions: when was the last time you heard that modern day christians sacrificed animals to god? don't they believe the practice mentioned in luke 2:24 is OBSOLETE? can anyone explain the point behind offering a sacrifice to God after the birth of a child in the hebrew bible? please help me out. is there any LINK to repentance? i am saying mary and joseph's sacrifice seems to be useless because according to paul the man-god killed himself before he became "flesh" on earth.
Ezekah		#65	[-]
Posts: 168 (06/13/09 14:14:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	drashi wrote: There is a split among the ribbonim as to the future of animal sacrifices. Some say yes. Some say no. Some say we will wait and see. Lest Pesach a rav who calls himself the "kitniyot rabbi" (a bit odd and needs to find his place in the world, but not a bad fellow), decided to make a korban pesach on a hiltop where you could see the temple mount. A lot of folks gathered and brought picnic lunches just for the experience (and it was a nice day), and they brought up the lamb and the shochet did a quick slice and in a few seconds the critter was dead. And most of the people there went "eeeeeeeeewwwww!" and some went green. (And some lunches went unfinished). And I think that brings out a great point. Most people today can't relate to a chorbon, and the idea that "making sacred" is an experience where one feels closer to the Creator, and not feeling lik his or her lunch is going to be hurled. It's supposed to be a spriritual experience. (Frankly, if I had to slaughter my own chickens, I'd probably never eat them). We live in a different time and a different place (in more ways than one). So either we are going to one day relate to slaughter and it will be a spiritual expression for us, or we will be doing something else. We will have to wait and see. May we experience that soon! Shalom Drashi Judaism is evolving. We don't have to do the exact same things as literally mentioned in the Tanakh and we can still be good observant Jews.
ProfBenTziyyon		#66	[-]
Posts: 2134 (06/14/09 07:36:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sophiee1 wrote: edited to remove content due to rule violation.... Specifically rule #3. *Discussions* about *Jewish denominations* are inappropriate. Take them offline or to other forums outside of Messiah Truth Sophie, Firstly, the three pseudo-religions I mentioned are not "Jewish denominations", but are heretical cults comparable to "Sadduceeism", "Karaism", "Khazarism", and several other ancient cults that have been revived in modern times. There are no "denominations" in Judaism; one either lives according to the Torah, or one does not. And secondly, I was not "discussing" them − merely mentioning them in passing. Or am I not even allowed to do that??? http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל Last Edited By: ProfBenTziyyon 06/14/09 10:23:01. Edited 2 times.
drashi		#67	[-]
Posts: 635 (06/21/09 10:41:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ezekah wrote: drashi wrote: There is a split among the ribbonim as to the future of animal sacrifices. Some say yes. Some say no. Some say we will wait and see. Lest Pesach a rav who calls himself the "kitniyot rabbi" (a bit odd and needs to find his place in the world, but not a bad fellow), decided to make a korban pesach on a hiltop where you could see the temple mount. A lot of folks gathered and brought picnic lunches just for the experience (and it was a nice day), and they brought up the lamb and the shochet did a quick slice and in a few seconds the critter was dead. And most of the people there went "eeeeeeeeewwwww!" and some went green. (And some lunches went unfinished). And I think that brings out a great point. Most people today can't relate to a chorbon, and the idea that "making sacred" is an experience where one feels closer to the Creator, and not feeling lik his or her lunch is going to be hurled. It's supposed to be a spriritual experience. (Frankly, if I had to slaughter my own chickens, I'd probably never eat them). We live in a different time and a different place (in more ways than one). So either we are going to one day relate to slaughter and it will be a spiritual expression for us, or we will be doing something else. We will have to wait and see. May we experience that soon! Shalom Drashi Judaism is evolving. We don't have to do the exact same things as literally mentioned in the Tanakh and we can still be good observant Jews. True. "Make yourself a Rav..." is the edict that one should find a teacher who can direct him or her down the straight path. Rabbi Avraham Kook was a proponent of vegetarianism, although with the caveat that it is not for everyone, and that the world of his day was not ready for it, indicating that in the future, that there will no longer be a need for animal sacrifice. Of course he was part of that particular camp that held it to be the most desirable thing. I side with him on that, but I am not ready to give up my juicy grilled burgers yet!
haglered		#68	[-]
Posts: 2 (09/13/09 22:55:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	haglered: Your excessive quotes from the perverted KJV's "Old Testament" and your "preaching" indicate that you have not familiarized yourself with the rules of our discussion boards and, thus, the contents of this post were removed. Please read the Rules of the General Judaism Forum and strive to comply with them if you plan to post again on this forum; each forum has its rules "pinned" near the top of the list of topics (UY). Last Edited By: UriYosef 09/13/09 23:53:51. Edited 1 times.
Sophiee1		#69	[-]
Posts: 12623 (09/14/09 06:22:31) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	In a nutshell, "General Judaism" is for discussions related to Judaism, not other religions. If you have QUESTIONS regarding Judaism compared to other religions the most appropriate forum is most likely the Counter-Missionary Forum סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
jji		#70	[-]
Posts: 3 (10/22/09 21:58:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've skipped through some of the posts as they were confusing me and they didn't seem to be about animal sacrifice. Does animal sacrifice have to be in the temple? I thought Abraham made an altar to sacrifice and it wasn't in the temple, and so did Able. I do know that G-d does desire sacrifice but loving kindness. But just thought that I should bring up this question as it has bugged me for years. Thanks.
UriYosef		#71	[-]
Posts: 2035 (10/22/09 23:10:15) Director of Education Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	jji wrote: Does animal sacrifice have to be in the temple? I thought Abraham made an altar to sacrifice and it wasn't in the temple, and so did Able. I do know that G-d does desire sacrifice but loving kindness. But just thought that I should bring up this question as it has bugged me for years. Before the Torah was given, there was no specific place named where a sacrifice could be offered to God. Once the Torah was given to Israel at Mount Sinai, this changed, because in it God specifies that sacrifices to Him had to be offered in a place the He has designated. Several passages speak to this, such as - Deuteronomy 12:14(JPT) - But *only in the place the Lord will choose in one of your tribes; there you shall offer up your burnt offerings, and there you shall do all that I command you. Deuteronomy 16:2(JPT) - You shall slaughter the Passover sacrifice to the Lord, your God, [of the] flock, and [the Festival sacrifices of the] cattle, in the place which the Lord will choose to establish His Name therein*. While Israel was in the wilderness on the way to the Promised Land, that place was the (portable) Sancturay. Once they arrived in the Land of Israel, there was no permanent place for a couple hundred years till King Solomon built the First Temple in Jerusalem, which was in the territory of the Tribe of Judah. When the First Temple was destroyed by the Babylonians, there was no place sacrifices could be offered until the Second Temple was built in the place where the First Temple once stood. The Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE, and since that time there has not been a place where sacrifices can be offered. According to our tradition, the Third Temple will be built in Jerusalem by the promised Jewish Messiah. UriYosef Our raison d'être: WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!! Last Edited By: UriYosef 10/22/09 23:12:55. Edited 1 times.
ProfBenTziyyon		#72	[-]
Posts: 2529 (10/23/09 08:21:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	jji wrote: I thought Abraham made an altar to sacrifice and it wasn't in the temple, and so did Able. I do know that G-d does desire sacrifice but loving kindness. 1. As a matter of fact, "Moriyyah Hill" (where Avraham was told to "take Yitzḥak up [dressed] like an olah-offering") was "in the Temple" because Moriyyah Hill is another name for the "Temple Mount". 2. Who or what is an "Able" − some kind of sailor? 3. The second sentence I quoted above I do know that G-d does desire sacrifice but loving kindness doesn't make sense to me. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל Last Edited By: ProfBenTziyyon 10/23/09 11:04:06. Edited 2 times.
UriYosef		#73	[-]
Posts: 2036 (10/23/09 11:40:44) Director of Education Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	ProfBenTziyyon wrote: 2. Who or what is an "Able" − some kind of sailor? If your question was serious, "Able" is the anglicized version of הֶבֶל (Hevel) - not everyone knows the Hebrew names in the T'nach because almost all translations have anglicized them. Otherwise, I would call this "nit-picking" via a sense of humor that may not be recognized as such by some new participants. UriYosef Our raison d'être: WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!!
SearchinMyRoots		#74	[-]
Posts: 619 (10/23/09 15:48:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	ProfBenTziyyon wrote: 3. The second sentence I quoted above I do know that G-d does desire sacrifice but loving kindness doesn't make sense to me. I think he meant, "does not desire sacrifice" most likely taken from Hosea 6:6. Psalm 40:7 and Psalm 51:18 does mention something similar as well.
ProfBenTziyyon		#75	[-]
Posts: 2531 (10/24/09 14:26:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	SearchinMyRoots wrote: I think he meant, "does not desire sacrifice".... Why can't people CHECK what they have written to ensure that they have actually SAID what they MEAN? http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
ProfBenTziyyon		#76	[-]
Posts: 2532 (10/24/09 14:51:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	UriYosef wrote: "Able" is the anglicized version of הֶבֶל (Hevel).... Sorry, Uri, but that simply isn't true. I have seen many christian "Per-Versions" and "Mis-Translations" of T'nach and I have never seen even one that refers to the second son of the Adam and Ḥavvah as "Able". They invariably call him "Abel", following Jerome's Vulgatus and the inappropriately named "septuagint" (which spells the name Αβελ). Even the "Reina-Valera" Spanish Per-Version (published jointly in 1960 by the British and Foreign Bible Society and the American Bible Society) does this. The English word "able" means "having the ability to [do something]" and is not related in any way to the name הֶֽבֶל Hevel. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
UriYosef		#77	[-]
Posts: 2037 (10/25/09 12:49:03) Director of Education Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Mordocha, You are correct. The standard angicized name is "Abel", not "Able", so I take it that the poste simple misspelled it, though it was rather obvious to whom he was referring. UriYosef Our raison d'être: WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!!
ProfBenTziyyon		#78	[-]
Posts: 2533 (10/25/09 14:47:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	UriYosef wrote: it was rather obvious to whom he was referring. It may have been "obvious" to you, but it was far from "obvious" to me. I didn't even know what christians call Hevel until I looked in KJPV. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
jji		#79	[-]
Posts: 4 (10/25/09 18:51:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	honest mistake must've typed it wrong, and what's worse I tried to look for a Hebrew Bible yesterday and I couldn't find one, all I have is the KJV which I don't really like to read anymore. Thanks for the heads up.
UriYosef		#80	[-]
Posts: 2038 (10/25/09 19:37:24) Director of Education Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	jji wrote: honest mistake must've typed it wrong, and what's worse I tried to look for a Hebrew Bible yesterday and I couldn't find one, all I have is the KJV which I don't really like to read anymore. If you're interested in a rather good online English translation of the Hebrew Bible, you can find it here. If you want to purchase a good one for around $30, I recommend this one. UriYosef Our raison d'être: WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!!

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