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Netanel		#41	[-]
Posts: 1732 (06/18/09 15:40:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	G-d would never say "I am the last," since he infinitely above human. That is an interesting claim considering this statement on God's part: *Y'shayahu (Isaiah) 44:6* 6. So said the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord of Hosts, "*I am first and I am last (Hebrew: ANI RISHON VA'ANI AHARON), and beside Me there is no God. Haven't you had your fill of making false statements about God and His Torah/Nach* yet? Furthermore, if God is infinitely above human, then how can you possibly deny that He was BEFORE everything that exists and He will still be AFTER everything which exists ceases? How can you deny that while humans are different variations of one kind (human), God is entirely unique, the first and last - the ONLY - of His "kind." Someone (i.e. Proteus) who has been known to "greek is easy"? I already know isn't very learned in it, after such a remark. None of the biblical languages are easy. Proteus and Professor Mordochai ben Tziyyon - both learned in Greek to their respective extents - both dispute you on your claim. I don't know your credentials, but I hold their comments on this in regard based on their continued demonstration of their grasp of the language. It really isn't noteworthy. Alef and Tav are words in Hebrew, and doesn't have anything to do with ο Α και ο Ω. You're right that Alef and Tav have nothing to do with Alpha and Omega (aside, of course, from the fact that Alpha comes directly from Alef, and that the Greek alphabet was based on the more ancient Hebrew language). However, it is obvious that the "I am the Alpha and I am the Omega" is an intended call-back to the original statement by God in Y'shayahu (Isaiah) 44:6, which, based on your statements, you apparently have never come accross. This is particularly interesting considering this exact verse is cited in post #33 of this thread, not even ten posts ago.
weboh	Clarifications	#42	[-]
Posts: 20 (06/18/09 17:14:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Haven't you had your fill of making false statements about God and His Torah/Nach yet? I am not the one saying the G-d is the last of his kind pertending he had to invent himself to people. He will always be first and never last. Understood? Furthermore, if God is infinitely above human, then how can you possibly deny that He was BEFORE everything that exists and He will still be AFTER everything which exists ceases? How can you deny that while humans are different variations of one kind (human), God is entirely unique, the first and last - the ONLY - of His "kind." I don't know how you got that impression. I was demonstrating the fallacy of G-d puting himself last as human. I trust it is rediculous for HaShem to say "I am last." He is the one who causes what is. Proteus and Professor Mordochai ben Tziyyon - both learned in Greek to their respective extents - both dispute you on your claim. I don't know your credentials, but I hold their comments on this in regard based on their continued demonstration of their grasp of the language. Only Proteus does. The Professor seems as though he could care less, nor does the professor seem to claim to be an expert on Greek. And Proteus, I find him highly suspect in his abilities. However, it is obvious that the "I am the Alpha and I am the Omega" is an intended call-back to the original statement by God in Y'shayahu (Isaiah) 44:6, which, based on your statements, you apparently have never come accross. I have come acrossed it, and forgotten about it being that the "prophetic books" are forgetable. And you imagine it to be a "call-back". It means nothing more than symbolic of the greek alphabet. Perhaps you should try reading books that you can understand.
ProfBenTziyyon		#43	[-]
Posts: 2157 (06/18/09 17:40:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	weboh wrote: It really isn't noteworthy. Alef and Tav are words in Hebrew.... Weboh, you are either missing my point or (more likely) deliberately not getting it. There never was a Hebrew version of "Yohanan's Hallucination" until the 19th century when Delitzsch and Zalkinson (independently) translated the Greek Testament into Hebrew. Remember that I pointed out that the Textus Recepotus does not say "alpha and omega" (in words), but rather "Α and Ω". Both Delitzsch and Zalkinson, however, chose to write out alef and tav in full, probably in an attempt to make their translations more believable as the supposed "Hebrew original" (which, of course, never existed). Incidentally, אָֽלֶף alef is not a word in Hebrew; the closest is אֶֽלֶף elef (which means one thousand), and, while תָּו tav does exist (and means a sign or symbol), it is very rare in Scripture occurring only in Y'hezkél 9:4,6 and Iyyov 31:35. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
Netanel		#44	[-]
Posts: 1733 (06/18/09 17:48:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I am not the one saying the G-d is the last of his kind pertending he had to invent himself to people. He will always be first and never last. Understood? Your first sentence makes no sense. God existed before any creation. He was not invented. Your second sentence ignores Isaiah 44:6. God Himself, in Isaiah 44:6, says plain as day that He is the first and He is the last. No amount of denial will change what was said by God to Isaiah. I don't know how you got that impression. I was demonstrating the fallacy of G-d puting himself last as human. I trust it is rediculous for HaShem to say "I am last." He is the one who causes what is. God clearly says "I am the first and I am the last" in Isaiah 44:6. Even Christian bibles reflect this. Whatever it is you are trusting is apparently leading you to ignore plain writing. Only Proteus does. The Professor seems as though he could care less, nor does the professor seem to claim to be an expert on Greek. And Proteus, I find him highly suspect in his abilities. Proteus has credibility on this board. Within a short span of days you've made clear your lack of Hebrew credentials (though not preventing you from trying to re-interpret Hebrew words anyway), and your current arguments are doing a number on your claimed Greek credentials. I have come acrossed it, and forgotten about it being that the "prophetic books" are forgetable. And you imagine it to be a "call-back". It means nothing more than symbolic of the greek alphabet. Perhaps you should try reading books that you can understand. Your response is not surprising considering the disdain for Torah and authentic God-given scripture that is engrained in Christians from an early age. The proof is in the pudding. I have never once come across a missionary or even non-missionary Christian who didn't pull one or a number of (mis)quotes out of the book of Isaiah, so your attempts to denigrate it are very telling. You claim the quotes in Revelation are nothing but symbolic of the Greek alphabet. They are not symbolic OF the Greek alphabet, they ARE the Greek alphabet. If it is SYMBOLIC then the phrase must be being used to convey a certain meaning. The meaning isn't the letters used, the meaning is what the letters used are meant to convey. What possible assurance could someone possibly draw from someone saying to them, "Do not be afraid, I am the first and the last"? "Oh, whew, I was really worried, but now that you've assured me you are the Greek alphabet I am relieved." Come on. It means nothing on that level. It is conveying another level, and it is clearly attaching itself to the aforementioned Isaiah 44:6. Last Edited By: Netanel 06/18/09 17:53:55. Edited 1 times.
weboh		#45	[-]
Posts: 21 (06/18/09 20:19:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	God Himself, in Isaiah 44:6, says plain as day that He is the first and He is the last. No amount of denial will change what was said by God to Isaiah. There are two things that you haven't done. You haven't proven a way for HaShem to be last at anything, and you have not shown what goes with such a statement. FIRST AND LAST of what? Til you can do that, I have not much else to say to you. Proteus has credibility on this board. Within a short span of days you've made clear your lack of Hebrew credentials. Did I say that I have credentials for Hebrew, and that I prefered it to Greek? Maybe you start reading books which you can understand. and your current arguments are doing a number on your claimed Greek credentials. My credentials are fine. How are Proteus's? Your response is not surprising considering the disdain for Torah and authentic God-given scripture that is engrained in Christians from an early age. This is where you start whining. so your attempts to denigrate it are very telling. And what does it tell you O believer in an interventionist g-d. It tells you nothing, because you don't know as much as you think you do. They are not symbolic OF the Greek alphabet, they ARE the Greek alphabet. They are only 2 letters of the greek alphabet, thus you are totally wrong there. The meaning isn't the letters used, the meaning is what the letters used are meant to convey. And they are made to convey thus "I am your literacy." Nothing special there, and HaShem does word this too and other things. It is conveying another level, and it is clearly attaching itself to the aforementioned Isaiah 44:6. In your dreams... Profben wordeth: probably in an attempt to make their translations more believable as the supposed "Hebrew original" (which, of course, never existed). I am well aware that there were no hebrew originals, but thanks for the correction alef and taw. Last Edited By: weboh 06/19/09 10:43:41. Edited 2 times.
UriYosef		#46	[-]
Posts: 1848 (06/19/09 11:29:08) Director of Education Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	weboh wrote: In short "Proteus", I know you are imagining what is not there. Since Proteus has only limited computer resources at his disposal, and in addition to what has already been pointed out by others on his behalf, I will add something else. It is my recollection (Proteus, please correct me if I'm mistaken) that he was also a seminarian studying for the ministry. So, not only does it seem that he has competence in the Greek language, he also has more than a superficial knowledge of the GT. On the other hand, you have demonstrated that your "credentials" in Greek are, at best, being able to look up words in an interlinear translation or a dictionary. UriYosef Our raison d'être: WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!!
Netanel		#47	[-]
Posts: 1735 (06/19/09 11:37:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	There are two things that you haven't done. You haven't proven a way for HaShem to be last at anything, and you have shown what goes with such a statement. FIRST AND LAST of what? Til you can do that, I have not much else to say to you. What is there for me to prove? Either you accept the words of God as relayed by the prophet Isaiah (i.e., Isaiah 44:6), or you don't. Your posts in this thread indicate that you don't. Here are some more quotes (in addition to the original quoting of Isaiah 44:6) to illustrate the point (from the JPT, although you will find the same in any of the major Christian bibles): *Isaiah 43:10-11* 10. "You are My witnesses," says the Lord, "and My servant whom I chose," in order that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall be. 11. I, I am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior. *Isaiah 48:12* 12. Hearken to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, who was called by Me, I am He, I am first, yea I am last. Did I say that I have credentials for Hebrew, and that I prefered it to Greek? Maybe you start reading books which you can understand. You entered the thread changing the Greek text, either not knowing you were wrong or not expecting anyone to call you on it. Who knows how much further you would have taken it if you hadn't been immediately called on it. Eventually you even tried to re-interpret a Hebrew word to support your original mistake(s). You have damaged your perceived credibility here. They are only 2 letters of the greek alphabet, thus you are totally wrong there. And they are made to convey thus "I am your literacy." Nothing special there, and HaShem does word this too and other things. - How, in Revelation 1:8, does "I am your literacy" (your explanation for the phrase "I am the Alpha and Omega") flow into "who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty"? What is the whole of that sentence conveying if the first part is indeed meant to be rendered "I am your literacy?" - What about Revelation 21:6, where "I am the Alpha and Omega" is explicitly followed by, "the Beginning and the End"? Is this merely speaking of "literacy" as well? - Finally, what about Revelation 22:13, where "I am the Alpha and Omega" is explicitly followed by, "the first and the last," and, "the beginning and the end"? What does this have to do with "literacy?" The successive appelations of Alpha/Omega, First/Last, and Beginning/End seem to paint a pretty clear picture. Before you respond again I advise you look over the rules, as you have already violated a number of them. Last Edited By: Netanel 06/19/09 12:07:17. Edited 1 times.
weboh		#48	[-]
Posts: 22 (06/19/09 12:37:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Natanel: What is there for me to prove? It is irrelevent if G-d said these word, if you don't answer the question: First and Last of what? You entered the thread changing the Greek text, either not knowing you were wrong or not expecting anyone to call you on it. Who knows how much further you would have taken it if you hadn't been immediately called on it. Eventually you even tried to re-interpret a Hebrew word to support your original mistake(s). You have damaged your perceived credibility here. You didn't even get the facts straight. I changed an english translation, not bothering to double check the greek. Then I made a mistake not fully knowing the greek and hebrew cognates on what is translated "curse". How, in Revelation 1:8, does "I am your literacy" (your explanation for the phrase "I am the Alpha and Omega") flow into "who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty"? What is the whole of that sentence conveying if the first part is indeed meant to be rendered "I am your literacy?" With a claim of being the almighty (the supposed meaning of παντοκράτωρ), there is a more likely claim to Godhood. But κρατος comes from greek root meaning complete. Thus all-conquering is a more likely meaning of the word παντοκράτωρ. You can give me any misrendered verse like this in the GT, and I can make a strong case for disputing it. I say this because the case of the "call-back" is easier to dispute. (Or I thought it was.) I will not go into detail about why the GT is verily mistranslated. Yes, "I am your literacy" is rough. But a better suggestion "I am the basics of what you need to know" flows into it very well. Personally I like Rev 21:7, which is for arguments sake, the words of HaShem. Added in an Edit: The successive appelations of Alpha/Omega, First/Last, and Beginning/End seem to paint a pretty clear picture But they aren't titles of Godhood; and they are metaphors. This is the most important point that I should have conveyed earlier. And First/Last is the last thing said in Rev 22:13. Secondly, the First/Last can be argued to be based upon Mark 9:35. UriYosef: On the other hand, you have demonstrated that your "credentials" in Greek are, at best, being able to look up words in an interlinear translation or a dictionary. I would be suprised to find anyone fluent in Greek who isn't an Eastern Orthodox priest. I see alot mistakes made, because someone didn't know all the basic letterings, or assumed like Granville Sharp that greek grammar can be like english grammar. Even when I find a fluent, I have seen that person's english skills suffer. He happened to be Eastern Orthodox. Last Edited By: weboh 06/19/09 17:49:46. Edited 1 times.
UriYosef		#49	[-]
Posts: 1849 (06/19/09 16:24:08) Director of Education Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	weboh wrote: I would be suprised to find anyone fluent in Greek who isn't an Eastern Orthodox priest. I personally know a few people who are fluent in Greek and are not Eastern Orthodox, and also Greek individuals (among them Jews) who are fluent in several other languages, including English. It has been my experience that, in general, it is the Americans (excluding naturalized citizens and a small number of others) who are monoligual among most other cultures in the world, and who always insist on English being spoken everywhere. UriYosef Our raison d'être: WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!! Last Edited By: UriYosef 06/19/09 16:27:23. Edited 3 times.
weboh		#50	[-]
Posts: 23 (06/19/09 17:54:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	UriYosef: I personally know a few people who are fluent in Greek and are not Eastern Orthodox, and also Greek individuals (among them Jews) who are fluent in several other languages, including English. But not Koine, though it is interesting to see that some Jews don't think Greek as pagan, but rather neutral.
UriYosef		#51	[-]
Posts: 1850 (06/19/09 19:13:03) Director of Education Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	weboh wrote: But not Koine, though it is interesting to see that some Jews don't think Greek as pagan, but rather neutral. What makes you think they don't know Koine? Those of us who are native Hebrew speakers have no problem reading and understanding the Hebrew Bible, which is written in Biblical Hebrew. As to your comment "it is interesting to see that some Jews don't think Greek as pagan, but rather neutral", you can't possibly so myopic - language isn't pagan; religious practices are. Don't you think there are Jews who are native Greek speakers? There have always been, and are still today, Jewish communities in Greece. UriYosef Our raison d'être: WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!!
weboh		#52	[-]
Posts: 24 (06/19/09 22:58:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	UriYosef: What makes you think they don't know Koine? Modern greek is not near or close to being the same language as Biblical/Koine Greek.
UriYosef		#53	[-]
Posts: 1851 (06/21/09 00:22:54) Director of Education Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	weboh wrote: UriYosef: What makes you think they don't know Koine? Modern greek is not near or close to being the same language as Biblical/Koine Greek. Since I do not speak Greek, I looked for the opinions of Greek speakers. Here is how one native Greek speaker answers the question "How understandable is Koine Greek to a Modern Greek speaker?": I'll borrow from Chatzidakis' conclusion from his research on "Unity of Hellenic Language: Considering the New Testament's 4900 words, half of them are used with the same meaning today, most of the rest are easily understood by any Greek, and about 400 words are incomprehensible. In other words, the difference is less than 10% in the vocabulary of the GT. This destroys the claim you made in your response to me. UriYosef Our raison d'être: WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!!
ProfBenTziyyon		#54	[-]
Posts: 2159 (06/21/09 05:51:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	UriYosef wrote: "Considering the New Testament's 4900 words, half of them are used with the same meaning today, most of the rest are easily understood by any Greek, and about 400 words are incomprehensible." As a speaker of modern Greek (sufficiently fluent to be able to hold a conversation with a native of Greece of Cyprus who shares no other common language with me), and who holds a Master's degree in Ελληνιστική Κοινή (Koinē or "common" Greek), I can confirm that this is absolutely correct. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
weboh		#55	[-]
Posts: 25 (06/21/09 09:37:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The verb inflections are very different. It has the same noun inflections to some extent, but the rest of the grammar is extremely different. Even the vocabulary has changed invisibly to scholars who assume the modern definitions are the same. "Modern Greek is still largely a synthetic language. It is one of the few Indo-European languages that has retained a synthetic passive. Noticeable changes in grammar (compared to classical Greek) include the loss of the dative case, the optative mood, the infinitive, the dual number, and the participles (except the past participle); the adoption of the gerund; the reduction in the number of noun declensions, and the number of distinct forms in each declension; the adoption of the modal particle θα (a contraction of ἐθέλω ἵνα > θέλω να > θε' να > θα) to denote future and conditional tenses; the introduction of auxiliary verb forms for certain tenses; the extension to the future tense of the aspectual distinction between present/imperfect and aorist; the loss of the third person imperative, and the simplification of the system of grammatical prefixes, such as augmentation and reduplication." -- Wikipedia My definition of "not being close to the same language" wasn't the same, but there is still a distinction between the dead language and the synthetic one.
Sophiee1		#56	[-]
Posts: 12335 (06/21/09 10:20:49) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Weboh, someone who speaks modern Hebrew can certainly understand ancient Hebrew -- but the reverse may not be true. There are "new" words in modern Hebrew that did not exist in ancient Hebrew. מטוס (airplane), מחשב (computer). . . FYI, the Professor has studied Koine Greek. Have you? סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
Sophiee1		#57	[-]
Posts: 12338 (06/21/09 10:58:32) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Weboh quoted from Modern Greek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia What Weboh did't quote from that article: Within Greek, all surviving forms of Modern Greek, except the Tsakonian dialect, are descendants of the common supra-regional (Koine). . .Attic Koine is . . . regarded by most scholars as the principal source of all of them. and Modern Greek is the natural continuation of Koine Greek Quite selective in quoting isn't Weboh? From the Wikipedia article on the Greek language (Weboh didn't bother quoting from this one): Koine Greek: The fusion of various ancient Greek dialects with Attic, the dialect of Athens. . . Medieval Greek, also known as Byzantine Greek: the continuation of Koine Greek during Byzantine Greece, up to the demise of the Byzantine Empire in the 15th century. . . Modern Greek: Stemming from Medieval Greek, Ergo Wikipedia, the source used by Weboh, says that Medieval Greek comes from Koine and Modern Greek comes from Medieval Greek. The article gos on to say: Historical unity and continuing identity between the various stages of the Greek language is often emphasized. Although Greek has undergone morphological and phonological changes comparable to those seen in other languages, there has been no time in its history since classical antiquity where its cultural, literary, and orthographic tradition was interrupted to such an extent that one can easily speak of a new language emerging. Greek speakers today still tend to regard literary works of ancient Greek as part of their own rather than a foreign language and: It is also often estimated that the historical changes have been relatively slight compared with some other languages. According to one estimation, "Homeric Greek is probably closer to demotic than twelfth-century Middle English is to modern spoken English. Ancient Greek texts, especially from Biblical Koine onwards, are thus relatively easy to understand for educated modern speakers. The perception of historical unity is also strengthened by the fact that Greek has not split up into a group of separate national daughter languages, as happened with Latin. Note to Weboh: proof texting (lifting things out of context thus distorting them beyond all recognition) doesn't work in the T'nach and it doesn't even work with Wiipedia! סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
weboh		#58	[-]
Posts: 26 (06/21/09 12:24:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I noticed you used a disagreeing article to prove your point. The article Modern Greek in wikipedia says it is synthetic anyway. I have encountered this evangelical canard all of the time: the belief Greek is smoothly continous. Greek has no doubt been altered, such that it really is koine (mediocre- common)? And it has been latinized through the use of mass nouns and punctuation. Sophiee1:Ancient Greek texts, especially from Biblical Koine onwards, are thus relatively easy to understand for educated modern speakers. Understanding of Koine is very subjective. It would say Koine is vastly more complicated, and easy for the modern greek-knower to overestimate his comprehension of any given koine literature. Secondly, why is the bible translated from Koine greek to Modern greek. If the languages are so much alike, why the translation?
Sophiee1		#59	[-]
Posts: 12339 (06/21/09 12:30:18) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Weboh I did OT use a "disagreeing article" to prove a point. I used the SAME article. I also used a second article ALSO from the same source as the first (Wikipedia). You failed to comprehend what the articles actually said, just as you failed to comprehend my use of them in my post. It is important to read what is there, not what one would like to be there. Thus my comment on "proof texting" not working in any documents. סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
weboh		#60	[-]
Posts: 27 (06/21/09 13:26:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sophiee: Weboh I did OT use a "disagreeing article" to prove a point. But you ignored my point about Modern Greek translations. There are two of them. This doesn't imply enough similarity at all between the two, unless the modern greek translations are for children. "Modern Greek is the natural continuation of Koine Greek", but it is nonetheless an artificial alteration of Koine.

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