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Posts: 26 (03/05/09 22:58:32) |
I have a question. I have been told that Abraham was the first Jew because he was the first to recieve the law. If a Jew is anybody who follows the laws or
anybody born of Jewish descent, who is the first Jew to be born of Jewish descent? In my opionion, Abraham was only the first jew because he was the first to
follow the law, but I want to know who was the first person born of Jewish descent.
Thanks!
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Posts: 2621 (03/06/09 15:26:14) Moderator |
That would be Abraham and Sarah's son, Isaac.
The Torah calls Yishmael 'pereh adam.' Not a man who appears wild but wild who appears a man.
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Posts: 33 (03/22/09 01:18:48) |
I meant to say who was the first Jew who was born of parents who were Jews by race? And what is your race if you don't mind me asking? Uri Yosef told me he
was Caucasian. I am black.
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Posts: 2630 (03/22/09 01:49:36) Moderator |
Jews aren't a race.
Or Human race. Those are your two choices.
The Torah calls Yishmael 'pereh adam.' Not a man who appears wild but wild who appears a man.
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Posts: 11990 (03/22/09 10:25:49) Moderator |
sprite wrote:If every parent who had a child started a new race we'd have a few billion races by now. Did John Kennedy start a new race? What race is Caroline, his daughter? About about Martin Luther King. Did he start a new race? Are his children Kingausian? The question is just silly. Racial clasifications are silly any way -- today we classify people from countries with Spanish origins as Hispanic -- even though they are white, black and various other shades. People are people -- and as the Rabbi said, we are of the human race.
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Posts: 3 (06/26/09 20:00:11) |
Shalom/Salaam. I refute your claim that beloved Abraham and isaac were the first jews peace be upon them both.Beloved adam was the first alongside beloved
hawwah (pbut) to recieve the message. beloved seth (pbuh) spreaded the message that god is one and his descendents.Could you as a learned rabbi tell people to
stop calling themselves a label which was given by pagan greeks.If you know you are a yehudi then say so to everyone,Plus my mother is a ultra othordox yehuda
but said to me when I was younger beloved moshe(pbuh) heard all these mickey mouse terms people are calling themselves today.All prophets were muslims.beloved
Abraham(pbuh) wasnt a yehud he was born in iraq and his first son was ismael(pbuh).it is clearly evident in the tawrah that ismael(pbuh) decendents were to be
blessed. so why do most yehudi reject beloved muhammad(pbuh) who many early yehudi who were kicked out of israel due to pagan dominance. reconised him as the
last prophet.The former state in southern arabia called yathrib which is a yehudi word. I forgot what it means. I quoted that all prophets were muslims. My
proof is the meaning of the word muslim and its transalated meaning in any lanuage. A muslim means that the creation testifies that hashem is one and their is
no other except him.and that the messengers are sent from hashem/allah. AMEEN to all truth.lies will go so far but will become weak and fade away.Looking
forward to your response.shalom/salam brother
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Posts: 2723 (06/28/09 00:08:02) Moderator |
This story of yours that you call "truth," isn't it funny how Islam only began 600 A.D., and yet it claims to rewrite a story which was written
2500 years prior to its invention?
Pretty ridiculous, don't you think? The last liberals the world ever saw were the Egyptians who sat Joseph's brothers down and fed them meat even though they despised meat eaters. Genuine liberals tolerate the opinions of others.
Today's faux liberals do not tolerate any other opinion and if one exists it has to be squashed. |
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Posts: 281 (07/02/09 05:04:40) Moderator |
A number of years ago, the Soviet Union had a newspaper called "Pravda", that served as the propaganda machine for the political establishment.
Rarely did anyone take it too seriously.Pravda is Russian for Truth.
I find your tone VERY insulting and condescending. And you quote the Muslim line very well. And I highly doubt that your mother was Ultra Orthodox, because if she was, she would have taught you some important principles of Judaism. Like elementary good behavior. I will not get into a debate with you, because I do not debate missionaries. I refer you to what my learned colleague, Rabbi Daniel wrote above. Rabbi Ezriel Yellin
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Posts: 7 (09/15/09 09:42:14) |
Shalom/Salam to you and family, my mother hawwah may hashem/alaha/eloha/Allah be pleased with her ameen, I'm not a missionary, I'm a muslim who
follows to the best of my abiltie the quran and the sunnah meaning the ways of muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him,
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Posts: 9 (09/15/09 11:09:09) |
Shalom/Salam to you and family. Jew, Ashkenazi(m) (origin of the Franco-German, Eastern and Central European Jews) are the worst followers of the law of moshe may the peace and blessings of allah be upon him and his descendens. I'm offended with your undertones regarding islam came at a certain time period, why do you reject the fact that you didnt bother to look into what the word islam meant, before you get emotional and start talking ignorantly about something you have a clear bias about? you are typical. and all european yehud have no blood relations with the true Yisralites of the tawrah period, Half my family is yehudi so called hassidic jews some people label them as ultra orthodox yehud. I'm embarrassed that people in general think that european pale skinned jews are the real deal,The very same thing hitler did to them they are repeating it in Yisrael by european who are not even semitic, You amaze me how how ignorant you are for a rabbi, but you are only human and not perfect, but its becoming a reacurring theme with my dialogues with rabbi when we get into heavy historical dialogues. most display the short tempers and arrogance of my westerners,pls note a common trait amongst many europeans. And look how the muslims protected the real semetic yehud against oppression in ya'rusalem, even muslims/yehud/nasrah(christians) were getting married. but as soon as european jews a title the adopted from pagans, because no oldest manuscripts spoke of this? Then they hve the audacity to migrate to a land which was never theirs in the first place as they claim today. why is it that we have check points?why is it they get countless money from america? why is it new migrants have no care in the world regarding morality when it comes to joing the hitler inspired zionist army?why is it people are called anti semites whenever someone brings proof that european jews are fakes and not the real deal? why is it hundreds of new settlers migrate to Yisrael knowing full well that the natives are being kicked out of their homes?Ihave many yehud associates and they demonstrate with me about the biggotry that is happening in Yisrael. WHAT RE YOU DOING ABOUT TIT? Also when muslims hate certain jews we are all labelled as anti semetic? when in reality we totally hate certain regimes which spreaded the most despicable hate I have ever seen amongst the muslim community? thousands of yehud were given prestigious jobs and protection during the time of saladin al ayyubi. soom yehud were exteminated due to their treachery and partnership with pagan a common trait to which the european jews ar doing today working with the americans, yet when I goe to many yehud resturants,coffe bars, or yehud bookshops and synagogues we hear yeshua (jesus) peace be upon him was a bastard? and when you askthem where is your proof he did black majic? Their talmud has been ripped to pieces historically its worthless and came way after moshe(pbuh). This msg might not get through but by Hashem/Allah it will. Yehud have been kicked out where ever they put their heads down, WHY? I wonder can any jew ever speak sense without arrogance. Truth over lies |
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Posts: 2768 (09/15/09 15:39:31) Moderator |
I left the above post for its entertainment value.
The academic said, "Why don't you put him in an institution, have a life of your own?" The Jewish mother responded, "What meaning would my life have?" |
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Posts: 515 (09/19/09 09:24:00) |
Can you be more specific as to why you say Ashkenazi Jews are the worst followers of Moses? You immediately went into European Jews having predominately light
skin being a sign they are false Jews. But this really doesn't correlate to a person's ability to follow the Laws of Moses, does it?
Secondly, what's wrong with being an ally of the United States? Many Muslims move to and reside in America where they are free to practice their faith without the threat of being killed. Are those Muslims the real deal who chose to reside here? Should we kick them out since they migrated here? I don't know, but for me personally, it rings a little hollow to talk about how hateful Jews are, or anyone else for that matter, after visiting where the twin towers used to stand. If I'm not mistaken it was Muslims who flew planes into them with the intent of murdering as many people as possible. Funny how it's human nature to make excuses for own bad behavior while focusing the behavior of those we don't like for whatever reason. |
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Posts: 2046 (09/20/09 22:22:41) |
Rabbi Daniel wrote:Would there be merit in addressing the issues with which you disagree chronologically so that we can see where his Islamic views differ from Judaism? |
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Posts: 2047 (09/20/09 22:52:30) |
hamza2k7 wrote:Why do you say this? Can you provide concrete examples from the Torah where this is shown to be true? |
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Posts: 2772 (09/20/09 23:07:45) Moderator |
DW,
If I thought there would be such merit I would have done that. In fact, I'm even surprised that you and Ty have given him as much credit as you have with your posts. Like you're actually expecting some kind of rational response. And Ty, I've already asked him TWICE if he considers 9/11 a tragedy? Still waiting on an answer... [No, not really.] Shana Tova. The academic said, "Why don't you put him in an institution, have a life of your own?" The Jewish mother responded, "What meaning would my life have?" |
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Posts: 2775 (09/21/09 12:14:28) Moderator |
DW,
Rereading your post I see you did not mean to address him with his issues but to share his vs. Judaism's with the viewing audience. C'mon, now. If someone posts "Elvis is alive and on the moon living off of the cheese," I need to educate people with the Jewish view of that? He says half his family are Chassidic Jews! I'm splitting a gut here cant tyoe The academic said, "Why don't you put him in an institution, have a life of your own?" The Jewish mother responded, "What meaning would my life have?" |
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Posts: 2048 (09/21/09 20:05:57) |
I just wanted him to tell me what (phut) and (phub) mean. :)
Actually, through a set of circumstances I have found myself working extensively in human rights issues in the Middle East and primarily in Iran. One of my clients is even an Ayatollah who is in prison for a number of so called "infractions" including defending Israel's right to exist. Ironically, I have found that some in Islam draw a distinction between Israelis and Jews. I suspect that is where he is headed with his discussion. I thought that for some, such as myself, who work with muslim people on a daily basis, the comparison would be helpful when these ideas are presented are presented to me by people of Islam. |
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Posts: 2776 (09/21/09 21:57:44) Moderator |
The whole middle east problem is that Israel was once under Muslim rule so, according to them, it can never NOT be under muslim rule. So they claim their issue
is with Zionists and not with Jews. Since we both know that according to Islam Jews are second class citizens, so that whole 'Israelis but not Jews'
thing is just a manipulative smoke screen.
Islam means subservience. They want to rule the whole world and anyone or thing against that is fair game. The academic said, "Why don't you put him in an institution, have a life of your own?" The Jewish mother responded, "What meaning would my life have?" |
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so we can all live
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