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Wed, 27-Jan-16 14:24:29
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Ephraim7 wrote:In Micah 5:1, Rashi's commentary cites Psalm 118:22 and comments it's about Moshiach. "the Messiah, son of David, and so Scripture says (Ps. 118:22)." Can someone please tell me why Rashi comes to this conclusion?
Wed, 27-Jan-16 16:16:24
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Ephraim7 wrote:It seems as if Rashi is eluding to the Messiah, "son of David" and not David himself in the Micah commentary. "from you shall emerge for Me: the Messiah, son of David..."
"And you, Bethlehem Ephrathah: whence David emanated, as it is stated (Shmuel Alef / 1 Sam. 17:58): “The son of your bondsman, Yishai the Bethlehemite.”(this is David)"And Bethlehem is called Ephrath, as it is said (B'reshit / Gen. 48:7): “On the road to Ephrath, that is Bethlehem.” You should have been the lowest of the clans of Judah: You should have been the lowest of the clans of Judah because of the stigma of Ruth the Moabitess in you. From you shall emerge for Me: the Messiah, son of David, and so Scripture says (T'hillim / Psalm 118:22): “The stone the builders had rejected became a cornerstone.” and his origin is from of old: “Before the sun his name will be magnified” (T'hillim / Psalm 72:17).
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Ephraim7 wrote:It seems as if Rashi is eluding to the Messiah, "son of David" and not David himself in the Micah commentary. "from you shall emerge for Me: the Messiah, son of David..." Then in the Psalm 118:22 commentary he states: "The stone that the builders rejected: A people that was humble among the peoples." Now he seems to be eluding to Israel as the rejected stone and not David or the Messiah. This is perplexing.
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Thu, 28-Jan-16 06:59:22
Thu, 28-Jan-16 07:52:58
There is no prophecy that messiah will be born in Bethlehem
Thu, 28-Jan-16 11:31:15
Proteus wrote:Two pointsFirst, I seem to recall that people here recently presumed to completely debunk Micah 5:1 as referring to Messiah. I will try to find that thread and will edit this post to link to it.Second, it might be good to find and quote the GT places that quote this verse. "The stone that the builders rejected" is taken, by the GT, to refer to J.'s rejection by the religious elites of his time, the Pharisees and the priestly class.
Thu, 28-Jan-16 11:36:39
Proteus wrote:There is no prophecy that messiah will be born in Bethlehem
Thu, 28-Jan-16 11:50:47
Thu, 28-Jan-16 14:06:52
Proteus wrote:We can't rewrite the myth.The myth says it was Bethlehem of Judea.The myth is what it is. It may or may not correspond to fact.But no one has standing to merely rewrite it.
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Fri, 29-Jan-16 10:09:20
DPS wrote:my own simple explanation to this. first ask yourselves... who were the builders of the temple? were they Jews/Israelites, or were they None Jews? that's right, none Jews, who at large rejected Am Israel and Judaic approach to scripture.
Fri, 29-Jan-16 14:36:22
Sophiee1 wrote:DPS wrote:my own simple explanation to this. first ask yourselves... who were the builders of the temple? were they Jews/Israelites, or were they None Jews? that's right, none Jews, who at large rejected Am Israel and Judaic approach to scripture. I don't understand this comment, can you please clarify? Are you speaking of the first or second Temple?
Fri, 29-Jan-16 17:39:40
DPS wrote:first temple, which was constructed by builders from tyre.
first temple, which was constructed by builders from tyre.
Sat, 30-Jan-16 07:29:46
People like that would hardly have built the first Temple!
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