Metacrock

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In my dealings with Christian apologetics i find that the Jews always gang up with the atheists to fight Christianity The atheists will lambast Christianity with long winded stuff on how evil and cruel the God of the "Old Testament" is.I have never heard the counter Missionaries or any Jewish apologist ever try to defend the Hebrew Scriptures or God. They side with the atheists constantly but then pretend like, or at least speak as though, the God of the Hebrew Scripture is just not the one under discussion. Yet we all (sic: know) that is not the case. The atheists will say God is evil and cruel and these guys never say anything against it.


I often post in a multi-religious site and you are correct. Typically, I find myself allied with the atheists against the xians. An answer can be found in a quote from a rabbi that was speaking to an atheist who said I dont believe in the same god that you dont believe in. When atheists start talking about gods actions as described in a bible, they are almost always referring to the xian deity. When atheists talk about religious beliefs, they are almost always referring to xian beliefs. I disagree with you that the G-d of Judaism is the same as the man-god of xianity. So most of what atheists talk about is not relevant to my own beliefs.

On message boards, xians typically post in a fundamentalist style, meaning they claim their beliefs are the only correct ones and everyone else must agree with their beliefs. This POV is usually not found in Judaism. We believe that a persons actions are much more important than a persons beliefs. Whereas a xian would say that anyone that disagrees with them is going to hell, I would say that almost everyone no matter their beliefs is going to Heaven. We would rather a person be ethical in their actions, than believe a certain way.

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How do you (sic: fight) the atheists? God in the "OT" (pordon my Christian designation I know that term can be offensive I do not mean it to be) condones slavery and order the massacre (sic} of women and infants and so on. How do you answer it?


Occasionally, I go head to head against an atheist. But since I dont have a NEED for an atheist to believe as I do (unlike xians), I can have more amiable discussions. Most xians are in a perpetual search for converts.

I have discussed the very point that you mention above. The basic point is that an atheist is attempting to apply ethics meant for mankind to G-d. I ask the atheist If you consider that it is unethical for G-d to destroy part of His own creation, do you consider it ethical for G-d to have created the universe in the first place? This throws the whole ethical-ness of G-d creation into the context, that they view the whole thing as just a fictional story. They refuse to consider that G-ds acts of creation can be called an ethical action within their context. They only focus on the acts of destruction. Since atheists are subsumed within a xian context, it is only natural for them to only see G-d as a bad entity (all that xian wrath.)