Harry, the difference between what you perceive and what Judaism perceives regarding "salvation" is very vast. Take this comment:

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One or more participants insisted, before, that G-d either cannot, does not, will not, or need not rescue anybody from sin. But weve just had this whole discussion about how G-d, no doubt, rescues people from physical disease.



The whole ide athat G-d:

1. "cannot" (G-d can do anything)

2. "will not" (Why wouldn't He if it were right?)

3. G-d "need not" (again, why need He not?)

rejects Jewish thinking and Torah. It is not that G-d cannot, or will not or need not -- it is that the whole concept is foreign to G-d.

Our souls are pure. The idea that somehow they need saving is outside of "cannot", or "will not" or "need not."

(Perhaps "need not" comes closer, but in that case the whole idea is "need not" -- it wouldn't even be a subject matter).

He doesn't need to (let alone "cannot" or "will not") save us from sin because sin isn't something outside of us. He created sin.

Why would He need to save us from something He created?

Sin is not some horrible thing that we have no control over that the "big daddy in the sky" must just forgive. it is not beyond our control.

Sin is a tool G-d uses to teach us. Nothing more or less. Sin is something that our soul can choose to rise above (Genesis 4:7 which you reject as applying to anyone but Cain) and all those other instances I've already quoted (far beyond Cain).

We're not speaking of the family of a murder victim bringing themselves to forgive. People are not G-d. G-d's ability to forgive is beyond anything man can comprehend.

But back to the subject at hand.

We do not need a savior from sin. Our souls do not need a savior. We do need a father, a king -- the one who lovingly teaches us and guides us and helps us to learn.

Since G-d is omnipotent and can do anything, He could have made us perfect. The question really isn't "do we need a savior" it is "why did G-d create man imperfectly"?