- The "5gun1" in parenthesis in the subject line indicates who the "lawyer" is -- and who gets to frame the questions (lead the discussion) -- in this sub-thread. The rest of us are "witnesses" and must answer 5gun's questions.
- While we witnesses may ask questions, 5gun has no obligation to answer them.
- In this thread, I'll be designing the rules. If you don't like the rules, let me know and I'll consider your objections. But, in this thread, I have the final say as to rules. Any of you can always start a new thread and design the rules there.
- I'm just saying that if we ever expect to get anywhere in argument, we need rules and we need a designated leader.
- Below is 5gun's opening statement. I will try to respond to each of his points (as if he were asking me about them) until he redirects me.

Quote: 5gun1
My position is that Jews in this forum can be forgiven for those occasions when they respond sarcastically or otherwise disrespectfully. That's if they do at all.
- I agree. They should be forgiven. But, that position accepts that what they did was, in fact, "wrong" (problematic to our purposes here).
- (Here's where 5gun can redirect me if he choses. Otherwise, I'll be back -- and try to respond to the next part of his statement.)


Polite civil discourse is always preferable, of course. But when you are being persecuted and assaulted by peole who are not engaging in honest discourse politeness is not a first requirement, at least not the way I see it. I think it's a tribute to Jews here in this forum and elsewhere that they are so consistently patient and polite with people here, and elsewhere, who constantly tell them that they do not understand their own texts and traditions.
There is a vivid historical precedent for this latest assualt on Judaism. Dr. Brown and his messianic Jews for Jesus associates are prosecuting a cultural holocaust. They want to ersase Judaism and replace it with Christianity.
Jews here and elsewhere have made clear time and again that Judaism is not Christianity. Don't you think it's time someone listened to them.

And, as I have said before, even if you do establish a similarity between Christinaity and Judaism or find one verse here and another there that matches a Christian doctrine, that doesn't mean it is a a verse that supports Christian doctrine or that it is evidence that Judaism is really Christianity. Many religions are similar in some aspects. That doesn't mean that one religion is really the other religion. Where two or more religions are similar, each retains it's own identity, not the reverse.
Try a course in comparative religion sometime.