Medini:
Sigh ... Why, Mark, do you continue to maintain this nonsense - that we Jews have no recognition of sin and the need for atonement?


Hello Medini. Hope you're well.

I continue to maintain it because I continue to see it, and because you failed to convince me otherwise. So rather than keep sighing about it, let's just accept that this is a foundational difference in our beliefs, and see how it affects the rest of the discussions.

Medini:
you have enormous chutzpah to continue to claim that we have no recognition of sin or the need for atonement.


I can live with that. And hey - nothing personal.



Towshab:
As one who left it I know its about fear... maybe even fear of 'hell fire'.


Amen, brother. I fear His wrath very much (Psalm 111:10). I can't imagine how anyone who knows Him wouldn't.

On the other hand, there is nothing better than His love (Jeremiah 31:2). As much as an incentive fear of Him is, the sense of love in His presence gives us the "hope of glory" (Col 1:27) that keeps us going.

So is it about fear? Absolutely. But that's just the beginning of wisdom, not the full extent of it.



Douggg:
Those who had the blood at their doors were "passed over" by death. Meaning that death shows no favorites but affects the entire human race. Without the blood, there is death.


Douggg, this is awesome stuff, my brother. Beautifully said.



Chaim ben Yaakov:
Back to the topic at hand, .... right?


Erm... yes please. I was kind of hoping you'd at least comment on my study of the word shechah. I actually learned a lot as I went through it, and I thought it was really interesting and extremely relevant to the "topic at hand".

Chaim ben Yaakov:
Based on above evidence, why would you expect Jews to believe what the NT teaches about blood atonement and Trinitarian belief (which the earliest church fathers never taught)?


Chaim, I'm not sure why you're bringing this up like a new question. We've covered it in this thread very thoroughly now. It's fine if you don't accept our arguments, but if that's the case, and you don't provide additional basis for refuting them, I really have nothing further to add.

Chaim ben Yaakov:
Why can't christians here acknowledge that Jews stay Jewish due to faithfulness to God, rather than evil rejection of Jesus?


For me personally, it's because I think you are fooling yourself. You may believe it's because of faithfulness to God, but I would submit to you that you're really only being faithful to Jewish tradition. I don't say this in judgment, but in faith, based not only on my own walk with Christ, but upon Jesus' own words:
Quote:
(John 14:6) "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
And I think you know very well that this is what we believe. So my question for you is - why do you continue to act surprised?

Peace :)