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Re: TRINITARIAN challenge to Protestant Christians
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MalachiII
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ezAad wrote: Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.
Re 3:14 These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:...
'Firstborn' can easily be understood as:
origin, genesis, parent, principle, forth bringer of all of creation
It can also be seen as:
Gods firstborn King-Messiah: Israel fullfilled to the full.
Malachi's response: Origin, genesis, parent, etc? The real deal is this. The word "arche" in Greek NEVER means source in the Bible. There are no examples to demonstrate this meaning and I've not even seen any clear references where it ever meant that in secular writings. In fact, wherever the phrase "beginning"(arche) OF something occurs, the beginning is always a part of the group or class. You have the same scenario here with "arche" as you have with "firstborn" in Colossians. Just as "firstborn"(prototokos), so it is with "arche"(beginning). If they are used with OF, then they are a PART of the same group or class as what follows the OF. Both in Colossians and Revelation, what follows the OF is CREATION.
Therefore, the Son is OF creation in both those verses in Colossians 1:15 and Revelations 3:14.
BTW, I really don't need just a statement of your belief. That does nothing to prove your position concerning Rev. 3:14 or Colossians 1:15. What you need is to present an argument or at least refute the one I have presented. As it is, my argument stands. Yours doesn't because "arche" does not mean what you say it does nor is it ever used as "source" or any of those other definitions you listed.
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Malachi
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