Mark:
Again, you're putting the cart before the horse. The very first thing that has to happen is a recognition of sin, and the need for atonement. To believe that you can go boldly before the Throne without atonement is a terrible mistake (Leviticus 10).


Medini:
Sigh ... Why, Mark, do you continue to maintain this nonsense - that we Jews have no recognition of sin and the need for atonement? Chaim, I, and others have explained to you in detail over and over again that we do recognize sin and the need for atonement, but that we HAVE atonement without JC, in the ways that Ezek. 18/33, Hoshea 14:2-3, etc. detail. We have given you full expositions on how this works, and how sacrifice worked, and why it is not needed when it is not possible, etc., etc.

You may disagree with us (although you have never logically, credibly refuted our points) BUT you have enormous chutzpah to continue to claim that we have no recognition of sin or the need for atonement. We do understand this, but we KNOW that we HAVE atonement without JC, and have explained quite logically and scripturally how that is TRUE. So, cut the nonsense...please.