Quote: EezAad:
'Being' is just a word; call it 'existence' or whatever you like. God is infinite, therefore beyond our comprehension.

pensteel: It seems to me that God being "beyond our comprehension" is often used to justify whatever people want to say about God. Somehow saying this phrase "God is beyond our comprehension" gives a person a license to kill meaning in words and to lay claim to absurdities. Consider what it means that God is beyond our comprehension. Why is God beyond our Comprehension? This is because God is unlike anything in creation. Therefore, because we have nothing to compare God to (nothing within our experience) God is incomprehensible to us.

God being beyond our comprehension actually does tell us something very important. If there is something that we can comprehend (by comprehend I mean that we can understand what it is for it to be) then that understandable thing is not God. Therefore, Jesus (being a man) is not God.

Quote: EezAad: Light that 'produces' light does not alter the 'substance' of light.

It is light.

So God who generates His Word, 'bears' God.

pensteel: Light that produces light is still light, however, the second light has a source for its being--the first light. Anything that relies on something else for its being is dependent on the source of its being, but the thing which is the source of another's being is not dependent on that which it produces. Therefore, the second light is dependent upon the first light. Jesus (if he is the light) is dependent but not equal to that from which he has his source of being. God, however, is independent, He is dependent on nothing and no one. Therefore, because God is independent but Jesus is dependent it is clear that Jesus is not God, for a thing cannot possess both independent and dependent being. A thing either owes its being to nothing or something. A being which owes its existence to something cannot be God as God's existence is dependent on nothing and no one.


Quote: EezAad: I think 'by definition' Infinity generates or brings forth infinity. This is in the realm of eternity/infinity, the heavenly realm. Imv your "by definition" is to natural/material.

pensteel: If infinity generates infinity where would the new infinity exist at? Also, how do you add onto infinity or take away from it? Anything with limitation in any way is finite. Since Jesus has a beginning, Jesus is finite.

Quote: EezAad: As you say: the light-analogy is analogy. Of course light, natural light is created. When God says: I am the light, He doesn't mean to say He was created. (Isaiah 10:17, Ps.27:1)

An 'activity of God' is not necessarily a creative act(ivity). When God Speaks He is not per se creating something, is He? He speaks, which is 'action', but He does not create: He 'bears' His Word, before all times, and that Word is also divine, because of its origin ' from eternity'.

pensteel: Even if you say that the "word" was born before all times...this does not remove it as a created and limited thing. It's source of being is still God and not itself. Therefore it is dependent on God. Because it is dependent on another for its being it cannot be identified as God, fore God's being is dependent on nothing and no one. I'm confused about your point concerning the word being divine as angels are divine--so what? No one would argue (I would think) that angels are infinite or are equal in any way to God. Even if God's "word" always was, this does not make it God. God's "word" is generated from God and therefore dependent on God.

AP