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Wed, 28-Nov-07 08:47:33
Quote:Malachi's response: This all sounds like a nice explanation but the problem is there is no scriptures to support it at all. The fact remains Jesus was considered a created being by the early Church Fathers who quoted Proverbs 8:22 to provide evidence that he was the first one created and then used by Jehovah (YHWH) to created everything else.Colossians 1:15 and Revelations 3:14 backs this up beyond doubt. You have done nothing to overturn these scriptures.
Quote:MalachiJohn 1:18 In what sense was Jesus an only-begotten son? Does anything Johns says lead us to believe the term "only-begotten son" does not mean what we would normally think it would mean? We know that the term means when it is used in reference to other people so whey should the reader ascribe a totally different meaning when it is used in reference to Jesus?
Quote:MalachiThe fact that Jeus is said to have created all other things does not prevent himself from being created. Just read Revelations 3:14 because that is exactly what it says.
Quote:MalachiYou are holding onto a doctrine that must rely on it own definition in order to refute the scriptures that appear to refute it rather thn simply relying on the scriptures.The evidence is overwhelming ezAad that Jesus is not G-d or part of a Trinity. Try reading the Hebrew Bible and GT without presuppoing the doctrine of the Trinity and you will see that the evidence for the Trinity is very weak.
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