SearchingMyRoots brought up a topic of interest. This is not the best response but I hope it helps.

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And I never will understand the "fulfilling of the law" thing. If it is fulfilled, then it shouldn't have to be adhered to. What I see is xtians adhering to SOME of the law, but not to others. Besides, the laws given at Sinai were only for the Jewish people anyway. That is a BIG misunderstanding as well. Gentiles say "you can't keep all of the laws", but the Jews say we can "uphold" and "keep" those that apply as directed by the Almighty. xtians try to convince the Jews that they don't have to abide by the law anymore since it has been "fulfilled."


Here is a personal commentary: From a Dispensational point of view the idea that the "Law of Moses" was given not only to Israel but to mankind. This Dispensational change marked the end of the Seven Noahide Laws for the Mosaic Law. Israel, as I was taught, were to be a light to the Gentiles therefore they were suppose to convert the Gentile nations making everyone a Jew. However, Israel would not and as Scolfield wrote: "They created a mass of traditions, comment, and interpretation known as Mishna, Germara (forming the Talmud), Midrashim, and Kabbala, that was so superimposed upon the Law that obedience was transfered from the Law to the traditional interpretatons."

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Eph. 2:11-12 Wherefore remember that *ye*, once nations in [the] flesh, who [are] called uncircumcision by that called circumcision in [the] flesh done with the hand; 12 that ye were at that time without Christ, aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world...


Now I noticed something here. Would uncircumcision be considered as bad as being called a *dog? Notice that the Gentiles had no hope and everyone was without G-d in the world being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, completely in the dark about the Covenants.

*Mark 7:26-28. The actual translation would be small dog or puppy but my former pastor would always say "lap dog" meaning a pet. The idea here makes the Gentiles incredibly inferior to the Jews. However, I found this is not the case at all.

Anyways, to continue, the Jews, as I was taught, failed as a nation to bring the Gentiles to the light which is the Law of Moses since it is considered that the Law was given to everyone. You would not believe how many Xians and non Xians believe that the Law of Moses was given to them but was done away in Jsus. Many a Xian, when reading the Tanach, read themselves into the text thinking they are the Jews whom G-d is talking to. Not that G-d don't try to communicate through the Word. For many years I read the Tenach and actually ignored who G-d was speaking to. I believe the reason is the belief that Judaism is no longer considered--by many a denomination--a path to follow.

Consider Galatians 2:16 which say that no can be justified by keeping the Law of Moses but only can be justified by faith in Jsus.
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Gal 3:13-14 Christ has redeemed us out of the curse of the law, having become a curse for us, (for it is written, Cursed [is] every one hanged upon a tree,) 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come to the nations in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit.


My understanding is that Jsus kept the Law and because of that was able to redeem people from the curse of the Law which I understand to mean that no one could keep the Law therefore they were cursed. Paul referred to the Law as the "schoolmaster" until Jsus came. Was Paul talking to Jews or both and if Gentiles was included then how did he come to the conclusion that the Gentiles were without the Law and without hope?

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Galatans 3:23-26 But before faith came, we were guarded under law, shut up to faith [which was] about to be revealed. 24 So that the law has been our tutor up to Christ, that we might be justified on the principle of faith. 25 But, faith having come, we are no longer under a tutor; 26 for ye are all God's sons by faith in Christ Jesus.


By the way here is a footnote by Scofield concerning Colossians 1:15 As used of our L-rd here, this term (Greek prototokos) refers to priority of position rather than that of origin. This meaning is clear in Psalms 89:27 "Also, I will make him my firstborn, higher than the the kings of the earth." The assertion in 1:15, therefore, is that Chr-st, as eternal Son, holds the position of priority in relation to all creation, in that He was before all things (v. 17), He created all things (v. 16), and by Him all things consist, i.e. hold together. The idea is that Jsus hold all the atoms in the universe together. Without Jsus the universe would cease to exist.

John T.