Doug wrote: Jesus being the Firstborne as well as Firstfruits are metaphors

Malachi's response: That's your definition Doug, not the Bible's. The scriptural pattern proves that the most natural way to take the phrase at Col. 1:15 is that Jesus is a part of creation, the FIRST part, the FIRSTBORN. There are NO exceptions for the use of that phrase in the Bible. Whom shall we believe? You, or the scriptural established precedent? The answer should be obvious.

Once again Doug, if we stick to scriptural precedent and usage, the evidence is overwhelming that Jesus being referred to as the "firstborn of all creation" indeed makes him a creation, and the first one at that. there is an extreme burden of proof upon you to prove otherwise.

If your argument is going to ignore the meanings of the Greek words used, then I have proven my point without any further argumentation.

Doug wrote: Let me add something new to this discussion.

Holy Trinity
Father, Son, Holy Spirit

Prophesied to come in the nt....

Unholy Trinity
Satan, Antichrist, False Prophet

Malachi's response: The desperation continues. What oh what does that have to do with the definition of Firstborn? Let's stick with Co; 1:15-16 before jumping to another topic.

BTW The unholy Trinity is NEVER defined as these three being one in substance!

Best regards,
Malachi