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MalachiII
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ezAad wrote: You seem to have a strong case. What you say sounds like a Jehovah witness view. Still I have questions:
-Are you saying a creature created heaven and earth?
-The Son was brought forth by the Father before creation, how then can the Son be created? (the Son was "begotten, not made/created, before all ages"; so before creation God did not create; you did not answer this).
Malachi's response: I am not saying it the writers of the GT said it! Also take a look at the way the early church Fathers used Proverbs 8:22.
Both parties at the Council of Nicea in 325,(The Arians and The Orthodox),agreed that Proverbs 8:22 referred to the son of G-d.
Most Trinitarians believe in the eternal generation of the Son. This "eternal generation" is often referred to as "eternally begotten", and begotten is synonymous with "birth" (being "caused to exist" for Trins, being "brought into existence" to JWs). Some Trinitarians would even agree with JWs that the Son was "brought into existence", but they will say that since this occurred in eternity, But you can't allow that sense here for obvious reasons.
Another thing is that wisdom said it was created; EGW hH SOFIA...KURIOS EKTISEN ME ARCHN hODWN AUTO EIS ERGA AUTOU -- Proverbs 8:12, 22 LXX
So if Wisdom, whom the early Church believed was the preincarnate Jesus says he was created, who is going to argue with that? I'm just thinking the Bible says what it means.
Best regards,
Malachi
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