Doug wrote: Except the only thing that counts in a literature meaning, and that is who was Jesus's mother, before Eve, if he was a literal "firstborne" of all of creation? Which you did not, of course, could not, answer....

Malachi's response: I did answer it, but not to your liking. You seem to think firstborn of all creation had to do with his birth in Luke or Matthew? No, the language and context is about the begining.

Also Doug, to answer your question above, being the firstborn of something does not require that you have offspring. My firstborn son has no offspring but he is still my fisrtborn son. Your objection misses the point of the word firstborn.

Doug if you have no way to overturn these points then the discussion is pretty much over. Simply repeating the ame points wont help.

Best regards,
Malachi