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Malachi
BTW Aad, you never overturned the fact that Colossians 1:15 and Revelations 3:14 both state that Jesus, your second person of the Trinity was believed to be a created being by the Church and the Apostles. And before I forget Proverbs 8:22 says explicity that he was created! That is also the viewpoint of the Church Fathers.


Malachi, see my post from: 11/28/07 6:47 am; there I respond to you about Col 1 Rev. 3 and Prov. 8.

You say: "Jesus, your second person of the Trinity was believed to be a created being by the Church and the Apostles".
I think the Church nor the Apostles believed "Jesus was a created being". That is: concerning his human nature he was created/generated of course (Luke 1:35 is a reference to Gen 1:1, the Spirit of God hovered over the water), but as the Word of God he is not created, on the contrary, He is the Word by whom God created everything. And the Church and the Apostles always gave Him the glory and honor for that.
See for example: John 1; Hebr.1; Rev.5:13; Col.1:15,16.

I hope to get back on other points of your reaction

Aad