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You said G-d can express himself in human nature, where is the scriptures is that explicity said Aad? It is just another invention of the Trinitarians.


That Scripture is Genesis 1, where God says He created man, Adam, in the image of God. Man(kind) represents God, reflects God, or to put it in an other way: God expressed Himself in man(kind). This thought is also found in the GT where is spoken of the 2nd Adam, the one who is the expression of the invisible God.

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You go to to say He can guarantee there will be no mix of the two natures, yet a union.
Again your opinion, using the definition of the Trinity to prove a point. The scriptures say nothing about Jesus having two natures. Is there any where in the Hebrew Bible or GT that explicity says that anyone ever had two natures? Again another man made doctrine.


I agree, that the Scriptures say nothing about "two nature"; the Scriptures are not given to us to play a philosophical word game. The doctrine of the two natures is manmade, as a means to counter all kinds of theological/spiritual heresies or digressions. But I think the doctrine has good Scriptural basis. This doctrine especially is important because of the heresy of idolatry: worshipping a man as if he was God. Jesus as a man is fully man, and as the Word of God he is fully God, two natures but without fusion. Christians do NOT worship simply a god-made-man.

Now IMV this is also the problem in your explanation of texts like Col.1, Rev. 3, John 17:3; from christian perspective Jesus is 'something completely new' (Jer.43:19; Jer.31:31;Isa.65:17).
Therefore he is called the 'firstborn of creation'; or 'the beginning'; and therefore Scripture does not say: Jesus is God (as like 'John Doe is God'); those Jewish writers of the Scripture knew better of course, they knew the first Commandment/Word of God. But he is the union of God and man, the beginning and the firstfruit of the New Creation, where justice rules, and where heaven and earth, Jew and gentile, God and man are united, and 'all things are gathered together in one' (Eph.1:10).

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Where oh where does it say that the apostles believed that G-d was three persons in one substance or (G-d)? Please gives scriptures that say explicity that the Apostles believed in that. There is overwhelming evidence that the apostles and the Jews at that time believed ONLY the Father was G-d.


The apostles believed in the divinity of God the Father, of Jesus Christ the Lord, and of the Holy Spirit (one example: 1Peter chapter 1, especially verse 11).The Trinity is a manmade doctine; I can agree with that; the Churchman of the 4th century explicitly formulated the doctrine. But those (Church)man did not formulate this doctrine as a wild phantasy. There was a foundation in Scripture and I don't want to do a Christian biblestudy here on this subject; it would be deleted probably.

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John 17:3
Are there any unambiguous elements of this clear teaching that the Father is the ONLY true G-d? Would not ONLY exclude others, such as the one mentioned in the same context with Him, the one sent forth, Jesus?


I refer to what I wrote above about the 'two natures'. Further: in this verse it is said to have eternal life is to know Jesus (as well as the only true God); this suggests that he must be more than just a man, because no ordinary man can say: if you know God and me than that means you have eternal life.

Aad