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So, Jesus started out with plans for the kingdom of heaven knowing that many false followers would commit atrocities in his name, just as Moses started out giving the law to the people of Israel, knowing what many of them would do with it. Neither can be called a failure.


WHAT???????? I have to vehemently disagree. There is difference between the two. And they shouldn't even be on the same comparative level! Moses was a prophet who did everything to ensure a people would maintain their level of both observance and fidelity to G-d, who admonished them in love to be faithful to G-d and warned them with sincere care about the tragedies that would befall them for their disobedience. He made sure that Israel would NOT be without guidance and instruction. He achieved the greatest Prophetic level EVER humanly possible.

Contrast this with the so-called man god. Note The language that Jeesus used against those whom the Torah itself (you know, the same the Torah that jeesus supposedly "fulfilled"???) Divinely sanctioned to decide upon Jewish law.

Review in Matthew and Mark the vehemence/hatred he had for non-Jews; calling the Phonecian/Samaritan woman a "dog" and refusing to help her daughter.

Or how about, the utter disregard for his own family calling his mother "woman" and dismissing her at least three different times in various gospels. Or after a day journey to see him, his family is rebuffed and ignored by Jesus. When told his family came to see him, he ignored them and rather said that anyone who heard him was his family. In addition, he advocated utter devotion to the point of fanaticism; that anyone who did NOT hate his father, mother, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc was not worthy to be his disciple; a contrast in what Malachi the Prophet stated the REAL Messiah would do, which was to bring family together.

His gleeful proclamation that he came not to bring peace, but to bring "a sword"; setting feuds between close relatives.

Or how about his advocating violence; demanding his enemies (the Jews because his "mission" was only confined to the Jewish people) brought before him and be killed by his disciples as some proof of his "rightful place" as the "son of man". Contrast that with ANY Jewish Prophet. Pick any of the "minor" prophets and see if they themselves advocate killing Jews who disagree with him.

Or how about his commanding they purchase swords and use them on the night before his subsequent arrest by the Romans?

More disturbingly for a Jewish "prophet", notice his disregard for his own disciples by his refusing to make arrangements for the Shabbat actually forced his disciples driven by hunger to pick raw grain on the Shabbat. (the NT erroneously translated raw grain as "corn". According to some modern scholars, this was a mistranslation because no corn was grown in the holy land at that time). Then when asked by his peers why, as a Jewish teacher, he would advocate the breaking of the Shabbat, Jeesus goes on a polemic tirade and states that the "shabbat was made for man". So because it was made for man, that gives him the authority to break the laws by G-d hallowing and sanctifying the Shabbat?

This would not be the only time Jeesus sought a reinterpretation of what G-d had said concerning the Torah. In addition, Jeesus even showed his lack of knowledge about Psalm 2. He claimed that that Psalm 2 was talking about him, when, if he really was a "rabbinic pharasic Jew", he would have known the Psalm is ABOUT King David, not WRITTEN BY him. NO wonder the Jewish leader said nothing! There is a Talmudic axiom that one is to do/say nothing as to prevent a person from being humiliated in public. It's not that they could not say anything, it's that if they had, Jeesus would be made out to be such an ignoramous concerning the very Tanakh/Torah that he stated he came to fulfill.

Even at his sentencing, he couldn't (if we are to believe the gospel of John, which is book one of a trilogy of all things anti-semitic) resist taking potshots at the Jews, damning them for delivering him up to Pilate (it is doubtful that this exchange ever occurred as Pilate was ruthless and the attempts of xian polemists to explain this stretches historical credibility).

His vehemence against the Jews. Find me one place in the Gospel of John wherein Jeesus isn't using vile language against the Jewish people. Polemics and THEOLOGY aside, what did Jeeus ACTUALLY do for the Jewish people???

While I believe the gospels projected the church's hatred of the Jews and especially the pharisees back into the days of Jeesus and most of the religion presented by the writers was of the Pauline xianity not judaism, nevertheless, to call Jeesus a prophet on par with Moses is disgusting, vile and vulgar. That is like calling Hitler a friend of the Jews on par with David Ben-Gurion! JEesus advocated hatred of the Jews abrogation of the Torah (or in his case, reinvention) and disdain for anyone in authority, while Moses advocated love of G-d, Torah one's fellow Jew and obedience to Torah and the Judges that G-d would appoint. The Jeesus of the NT sounds less like a religious jew and more like the person who wanted to be compared to Moses: Paul! Either/or it's still a vulgar disgrace to compare him to the Greatest Prophet/Teacher/Warrior/Leader of the Jewish people.

BECAUSE of this, Jeeus was NOT a prophet. A Prophet in the Jewish Scrptures is NOT one who stares off into space and babbles futuristic, enigmatic scenarios, does not read tea leaves and conjure up tales of the future or looks to the stars to predict their alignment thus unlocking when the end of the world is to happen (2012, anyone??). The Jewish Prophet is to get Israel back to Torah observance, not abolition. For this reason ALONE Jeesus cannot be called a prophet. In addition, the prediction supposedly made by Jesus about the Temple, was first written in 85 CE.. 15 years AFTER the fact. I can predict anything AFTER it happens! I can take out a piece of paper today, date it 9/11/1999 and predict in two years there will be three terrorists attacks on the US. Am I now a prophet? THEN to further reduce Jeesus' prophetic abilities, the writers claim that he was not talking about the Temple, but rather about his body??? So why is this a "prophecy" when he wasn't even talking about the Temple?? Does this make any sense?

Jeesus wasn't a prophet, wasn't a teacher, wasn't anything of any import to the Jewish People OR more tellingly, to any of the historians.. both to Philo (who recorded EVERYTHING everyone did) or Josephus (and the "Jeesus" passage that was supposedly penned by him was actually inserted in there by Church redactors. An older version found in arabia does not have this "jeesus" passage) make any reference to him. Even exant letters from this period from Roman officials to Rome itself bear no mention of Jeesus, only later about his followers, and even then nothing more than Rome had killed their leader. So the idea that Jeesus was a prophet akin to Moses is wishful thinking.