Nic, I think Folah is trying to say that since "adam" means mankind as well as the human being named Adam that the generation of "man" hasn't ended thus meaning that Jsus' "prophecy" can still come true.

This totally ignores that Genesis 5 is speaking about the specific human named Adam and fathering of his son Seth who in turn fathered the next generation and so on and so forth.

It also ignores completely that Jsus was speaking to his followers and telling him that they would not DIE before he "returned" and they've all been dead 2000+ years.

Jsus was saying "This" generation (those he was speaking to -- not the entire genus of mankind). . .

It is just yet another way of ignoring context in the GT and the Torah to try to ignore what it says in favor of what he wants it to say -- otherwise Jsus was a false prophet.

To try and say Genesis 5 is about mankind as one generation is a total distortion of the text, but it shouldn't surprise anyone. If Jsus was speaking to the people then alive saying he'd be back before they died (which is clearly what the text says) then Jsus was a false prophet. Ergo Xians like Folah must ignore their own bible and try to find excuses that what Jsus said isn't REALLY what he meant.

Read it yourself, the GT clearly has Jsus saying that the people he is talking to (those standing here) won't die before he returns. So distorting Genesis 5 doesn't really help one little bit -- but it does get people to look away at something else (Genesis 5) and ignore Mark 9!.
Quote:

Mark 9:1 . . .there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of G-d come with power."


Know of any 2000 year old men still walking around?

Neither do I! What does any of this have to do with mankind starting with Adam and continuing to today?

Nothing!

Quote:
Matthew 16:28. . .there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. . .


Going back to the life spans of Adam is a desperate and deflecting move and nothing more. The GT is very clear that people alive in 30 CE or so would be alive when Jsus "came back."

He didn't come back.

They are long dead.

The life expectancy circal 30 CE was 30-40 years and this isn't a generation (which is counted on birth rates not entire life spans) but the even longer life span.

Long dead. No Jsus. False prophecy. And as I've pointed out at least 3 times now (and Folah has ignored)

The word translated as "generations" in Genesis 5 is (toledot) תולדת.

תולדת speaks of generations by birth cycles (not birth to death). In other words the age of the man when a child is born to the age of his son when his child is born and so forth. It has to do with the generations (children) of the MAN Adam, not all of mankind -- and if one reads Genesis 5 you'll see the children of Adam listed. . .

The root word for toledot is ילד (y'lad) - which means to give birth.

So Genesis 5 is the book about the generations (plural) from the age of their father when the child is born to the next birth and so on. Folah's theory is dead in the water from the first Hebrew word -- let alone a clear reading of the GT.

From Infidels.org

Fifty-Two Translations: Matthew 24:34.

(1) Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
(2) This generation will not have passed before all this is accomplished.
(3) By no means may this generation be passing by until....
(4) This generation shall not pass away till all these things....
(5) Before the present generation passes away, these things will all happen.
(6) This generation will not pass away....
(7) In no wise shall this generation pass away until all these things shall happen.
(8) This generation will by no means pass away till all these things are fulfilled.
(9) This generation will not disappear till all this has taken place.
(10) This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things....
(11) ...this generation will not pass away....
(12) ...this generation will not pass away....
(13) ...this generation shall not pass away till....
(14) This generation may not pass away till all these things...
(15) ...this generation shall not pass away....
(16) ...this generation shall not pass away....
(17) ...this generation will not come to an end....
(18) This generation will not have passed away until all these things shall have taken place.
(19) This generation will not disappear until these things happen....
(20) This generation shall not pass until....
(21) In no way will this generation pass away until all these things have occurred.
(22) This generation shall not pass....
(23) This generation shall not pass away....
(24) Before this generation has passed away, all these things will have taken place.
(25) This generation will not pass away....
(26) This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.
(27) The present generation will not pass away until all this takes place.
(28) These people will not pass away till all this happens.
(29) This generation will not pass away....
(30) This generation shall not pass away....
(31) This generation will not pass away before all these things have taken place.
(32) This generation will not come to an end till all these things are complete.
(33) This generation will by no means pass away before all these things take place.
(34) This generation will not pass away....
(35) Before this generation passes away, all these things will happen.
(36) This generation will not pass away....
(37) This generation will not pass away....
(38) Indeed, I can give you solemn assurance that this generation will not have passed away before all this has taken place.
(39) This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled.
(40) I tell you, even the present generation will not pass away, till all these things have taken place.
(41) The people of this day will not pass away before all these things have happened.
(42) The present generation shall not pass away till all these things happen.
(43) This present generation shall not pass away until all these things arrive.
(44) The present generation will not pass away till all this happens.
(45) I tell you this: the present generation will live to see it all.
(46) I tell you in solemn truth that the present generation will certainly not pass away without all these things having first taken place.
(47) I assure you, all these things will take place before this present generation passes on.
(48) I swear to G-d, this generation certainly won't pass into oblivion before all these things take place!
(49) I can promise you that some of the people of this generation will still be alive when all this happens.
(50) Truly, I tell you, this generation--that is, the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period--will not pass away till all these things taken together take place.
(51) I tell you the truth--all these things will happen while the people of this time are still living!
(52) Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.

Five Greek Lexicons: genea.


(1) The interval of time between father & son... from thirty to forty years those living in any one period; this present generation.
(2) A generation of mankind, a step in genealogy.
(3) A generation, an interval in time.
(4) The whole multitude of men living at the same time--Mt xxiv.34... used esp. of the Jewish race living at one and the same period.
(5) The sum total of those born at the same time... all those living at the same time... contemporaries... Mt. 24:34.
Twenty-Five Bible Dictionaries: genea.
(1) Those born at the same time constitute a generation... contemporaries.
(2) Thus Herodotus says that "three generations of men make an hundred years."
(3) It is used of people living at the same time, and by extension... of the time itself... 40 years.
(4) Of the 43 references to genea in the NT... 25 (are) of its occurrences to the Jewish people in the time of Jsus.
(5) The whole multitude of men living at the same time. A period ordinarily occupied by each successive generation, say, of thirty or forty years.
(6) It mostly denotes "generation" in the sense of contemporaries... Mt. 24:34. This generation is to be understood temporally.
(7) The age or period of a body of contemporaries.... The generation lasts as long as any of the members survive.
(8) ... from thirty to forty years....
(9) ... the sum total of individuals forming a contemporary group.
(10) The period of time between the birth of parents and the birth of their children... most biblical writers seem to consider thirty to forty years a normal generation.
(11) ...the period from a man's birth to that of his son--and collectively the people who live in that period.
(12) ...the period of time between the birth of parents and the birth of their children... the term simply refers to all people living at a particular time.
(13) A body of people who live at the same time in a given period of history.
(14) ...from thirty to forty years... contemporaries.
(15) Used in the general sense of a period of time, the span of one human life, or those who live at a particular period of time.
(16) The "circle" of life, spanning from a man's birth to that of his son... forty years.
(17) Mt. 24:34--"This generation" equals the persons then living contemporary with Chrst.
(18) The age or period of a body of contemporaries....
(19) Mt. 24:34--"This generation" equals the persons then living contemporary with Chrst.
(20) ...about 25 years. A generation is all the people living at about the same period of time, Mt 24:34.
(21) In general, the word generation in the Bible refers to any contemporary group.
(22) It was fixed by some at 100 years, by others at 110, by others at 33, 25, and even at 20 years.
(23) Of all men living at any given time... Mt 24:34... a period of about 30 to 33 years.
(24) Matt xxiv.34, "This generation shall not pass...." All who are at present living shall not be dead when this shall come to pass. There are some at this day living, who shall be witnesses of the evils which I have foretold shall befall the Jews.
(25) We must adhere to the ordinary usage, according to which dor signifies an age, or the men living in a particular age.

Six Bible Encylopedias: genea.

(1) Genea refers to a period of time loosely defined as the time between a parent's prime and that of his child.... Those living at a given time in history are referred to as a generation.
(2) Matt. 24:34, genea means the generation or persons then living contemporary with Chrst.
(3) Genea: It has the concept of the sum total of those born at the same time--contemporaries.
(4) Genea means the generation of persons then living contemporary with Chrst.
(5) Matt. xxix.34, genea means the generation or persons then living contemporary with Chrst.
(6) "The present generation" comprises all those who are now alive. Matt xxiv.34, some now living shall witness the event foretold. Our L-rd uses the term to express a period of about 36 or 37 years... say about A.D. 70.

Sixteen Bible Commentaries: genea.


(1) ...verse 34 solemnly promises that Jsus will return while some of his contemporaries are still alive (a reprise of 16:28).... The gospel testimony provides strong support for this view: Jsus did not know all things.
(2) (This generation) can only with the greatest of difficulty be made to mean anything other than the generation living when Jsus spoke.
(3) "This generation" clearly designates the contemporaries of Jsus.
(4) The statement in verse 34 is a difficult one. If generation is to be taken in this strict sense, then "all these things" must be limited to the events culminating in A.D. 70.... The majority of the best scholars today insist that generation be taken in its strictest sense.
(5) Jsus was quite certain that they would happen within the then living generation.
(6) [Matthew] probably believed, however, that the end ould come before all of Jsus' hearers had died.
(7) Further, he [Jsus] insists that his words are infallible, and that they are more certain than the material universe itself....
(8) This verse recalls 16.28, and affirms that some of the disciples would live to see the Parousia. This would presuppose a relatively early date for the event.... Was Jsus in error in his prediction of the nearness of the end?
(9) In the Old Testament a generation was reckoned as forty years. This is the natural way to take verse 34.... He plainly stated in verse 34 that those events would take place in that generation.... One may, of course, accuse Jsus of hopeless confusion.... It is impossible to escape the conclusion that Jsus, as Man, expected the end within the lifetime of his contemporaries.
(10) The hard fact still remains that if Jsus spoke the sayings of St. Mark xiii and St. Matthew xxiv... he misjudged the extent of his own knowledge and uttered a definite prediction which was not fulfilled.
(11) The Synoptists fell into the contradiction... of making Jsus declare at one moment that He did not know the time of the glorious Advent, and at another that it would infallibly happen within that generation.
(12) The affirmation that "all these things" will happen in this generation is clear, and there is no reason to alter the meaning of the word generation from its usual sense except a fear that the Scriptures may be in error if it is not so altered.
(13) Indeed, the fulfillment will take place before this present generation has passed away.
(14) Did Jsus expect the end within the lifetime of those who heard him speak? It seems quite certain that the early church so understood him.
(15) Matthew made it clear that some of the first disciples would live to see the Parousia.
(16) ... v. 34; there are those now alive, who shall see Jerusalem destroyed.

Eight Chrstian Scholars & Authors: genea & Matthew 24:34.

(1) As a rule, a generation in the Bible lasts 40 years.
(2) ...the word genea... was put to the torture....
(3) If the saying relates to the parousia, it sets the end time within the bounds of the first generation church. The phrase "this generation" should cause no difficulty for interpreters... It always signifies his [Jsus'] contemporaries.
(4) And He [Jsus] was to come, moreover, within the lifetime of the generation to which He had proclaimed the nearness of the Kingdom of G-d.
(5) No future generation of Jews is meant here.
(6) Next, our L-rd sums up with an affirmation calculated to remove every vestige of doubt or uncertainty, "Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." One would reasonably suppose that after a note of time so clear and express there could not be room for controversy. Our L-rd Himself has settled the question. Ninety-nine persons in every hundred would undoubtedly understand His words as meaning that the predicted catastrophe would fall within the lifetime of the existing generation. Not that all would live to witness it, but that most or many would. There can be no question that this would be the interpretation which the disciples would place upon the words.... His coming... would come to pass before the existing generation had wholly passed away, and within the limits of their own lifetime.
(7) [Members of the primitive church] were obliged to expect the second and glorious coming of the Son of Man in the clouds before that generation was totally extinguished which had beheld his humble condition upon the earth.
(8) The words immediately preceding them show the absurdity of applying them to another generation than that of the apostles: "When ye see these things coming to pass, know ye that he is nigh, even at the doors." The teaching of Jsus was emphatic beyond all rational question that that generation should not pass away before all those things of which they inquired should be fulfilled.

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