Hi, Sophee! Now I will have to check out the Mussar Movement in my eclecticism. I hope I didn't offend anyone with my long post. Remember, I am neither trying to "convert" anyone, nor do I have a "belief" system to use to do it. I don't remember the source but the saying is "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", and I am certainly on your side in the counter-missionary mission. I like to promote logic, and the n.t. is very counter-logic. I was not raised in Judiasm, nor do I follow it, but, if they "come again" for the Jews, Folah and her kind will certainly try to take me.