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Re: Why didn't Yeshu know about the future?
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folah78
Re: the n.t. is what?
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Folah78
STEREOTYPING makes you interprete my post the way you do e.g You assumed I believe in the TRINITY.
That I have the same beliefs as a TYPICAL evangelical or so called Christian fundamentalist.
That's why I said I can understand how you interprete my posts the way you do.
No Folah, really, I did not assume that. Actually Id already seen where you have stated otherwise, in a number of posts. What I said was that that is what your statement said, and that is why I asked if you might want to rephase your statement to say spirit of G-d. Because whether it means that to you or not, to many people xian and non-xian - the term Holy Spirit has come to carry the connotation of the third person of the triniitarian-xian trinity. Thats why it says in the Wiki quote above that Judaism generally no longer uses the term, even though it originally was theirs, and now uses different terms to refer to the spirit of G-d in order to avoid that Christian connotation.
You still have not said if this is okay with you, but suppose for the moment we do rephase your statement to Gideon,
from
For you to SEE/KNOW Jesus is God requires that you understand the TANACH to a VERY HIGH LEVEL -and that requires the Holy Spirit.
To
For you to SEE/KNOW Jesus is God requires that you understand the TANACH to a VERY HIGH LEVEL -and that requires the spirit of G-d.
Maybe you dont feel that rephase is necessary, but even so, does it still reflect what you wanted to say? Now we have removed the trinity connotation, which you said was not your intention anyway. It no longer says that you need the Holy Spirit before you can understand the Tanach, but it now says that understanding the Tanach via the spirit of G-d will cause a person to be a [type of] xian: one who believes Jsus is G-d. And though not all xians believe that, I think we can safely say that all who believe that are Christians. So were back to saying that the only proper way to understand the Tanach is as a [type of] xian whether that xianity comes before, or from, the reading.
Its bad enough that this sounds like its saying that the Jewish folks who read the Tanach their own scriptures are missing enough of this element of the spirit of G-d to be able to reach the VERY HIGH LEVEL of understanding. But on top of that, how do you explain the people who, as xians, read the Tanach and then turn away from xianity to believe and follow Judaism?
Folah78
Please pay attention to the words in capital letters in my post and there'd be no confusion -that doesn't mean you can't disagree but you'd at least know what you're disagreeing with.
There is a
HUGE DIFFERENCE
between
SEEING/KNOWING
and
BELIEVING
as pointed out by Uri earlier -which was my original point. That's why I always say "
I KNOW
(not
BELIEVE
) Jesus is God. Many Christians
BELIEVE
but do not
KNOW
.
There's a
HIGH LEVEL
of
TANACH UNDERSTANDING
you reach that you can't but
SEE/KNOW
Jesus. That level is
ONLY POSSIBLE
by the Holy Spirit.
Other than this
HIGH LEVEL TANACH UNDERSTANDING
the ONLY other way is by
REVELATION
-this too is by the Holy Spirit. The mistake you may be making is that ONE have to be "spirit filled" FIRST to receive
REVELATION
-I didn't say that nor implied it. A good example is Paul.
The Holy Spirit (still very much a mystery) is the power that enables REVELATION, PROPHECIES, VISIONS, ANNOINTING e.tc -that's what all the prophets and Moses have that EMPOWERED them. It's the Holy Spirit that makes ORDINARY folks DO/SEE extraordinary things in the tanach e.d Hannah in 1Sam2.
Hope this clarifies.
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