ForgotPassword?
Sign Up
Search this Topic:
Forum Jump
Posts: 2024
Sun, 13-Jan-08 17:21:19
Quote:I was suggesting something similar to the second suggestion in Uri's paper starting "The Targum Yonathan...". I was looking this up in the response to the claim that sabachthani was not a valid word. I haven't studied this whole thread enough to know all of the nuances of Folah's claim. However, I would not have expected Uri to sit idly by while someone claims that a word is nonexistent while he has an essay available that discusses possible sources for the word.
Quote:Uri states in his essay that any admission of Jesus that God had forsaken him causes unresolvable theological issues. It does not, but this is not the time to get into that discussion. My point here is just because you think that Jesus is out of place saying this is not grounds to tell someone that sabachthani is nonexistent, when you know very well that it has at least two possible sources.
Quote:If I were to try to determine exactly what sounds Jesus spoke that day, I would guess that Jesus said Sh'vachthani. That would not be considered to be pure Hebrew by you perhaps, but it might be a dialectic variation similar to Shibboleth and Sibboleth. The fact that the Greek text used Xi instead of Kappa and Theta instead of Tau indicates that to me.
Quote:The next question would be why Jesus didn't say azavtani as per Psalm 22, which it is clear from the Greek text that he did not. I would suggest that this is again a dialectic variation that was "the way they said it" in Jesus' day. For a simple example from English, there was a time when people would have cried out, "Don't forsake me," while today they would say "Don't leave me all alone," and they mean exactly the same thing today.
Quote:So I haven't proved anything, nor answered all of the possible questions. No, but I think that I have found a very plausible solution. Often in the NT and in the Tanach, we have to be content with that, and it certainly isn't a reason in itself to throw out the one or the other. Uri has confirmed in his essay that sabachthani is not ridiculous nonsense, as was implied to folah, when she was challenged to show that it was a real word. I will leave it to folah to decide if she was mistreated in this discussion.
Share This