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Sat, 23-Jul-11 09:39:21
By comparison to the initial post, and to recent posts:Just as there apparently was a historical person around whom legends developed, and the name "Robin Hood" got attached;so also there probably was a historical person around whom legends developed, and the name "Jesus of Nazareth" either got attached or was there from the start. "Davy Crockett," for example, was the real name of a real person who became legendary.The latter legends developed further into the Christian myth.The bone of contention between Gideon and myself is that he appears to propose either (1) that there actually never was any such historical person, or (2) that if there was one, the person lived sometime other than the First Century.I propose that there was such a person, and that this individual lived ~1 C.E. - ~30 C.E.It seems to me there's abundant circumstantial evidence to support that. No, for certain, no one can prove such a person ever lived. But it seems certain that this other guy, Saul of Tarsus, did live, perhaps ~20 C.E. - ~70 C.E. And it seems unlikely that the other persons mentioned in his letters, i.e. Peter, James and the others, were mere figments of his imagination. So they had to come from somewhere, and in a corresponding time frame. Everything points to the presence or absence of a Jesus who lived in the time frame I mentioned. And presence seems more likely than absence.This individual would have been markedly different from the "xian idol." At the end of the last of his three books on the subject, Geza Vermes demonstrates that a historical Jesus would not recognize any but the first clause of the Nicene Creed. To my mind, he would most likely not have been much obviously different from anyone who participates here.
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