menashe wrote:
"would only cause them to degenerate even further", is this a good or a bad thing? I mean to say that if its possible to get them to bottom out quicker then the only way is up after is it not?
Perhaps, but I'm not too sure whether there's a bottom to the cesspit that is Messianic "Judaism."

These fools have fooled themselves into believing that it is acceptable, even correct, for Jews to believe in Yoshke. I don't think they're looking for the truth. Rather, they're trying to convert as many Jews as they can, because for every Jew that they are able to mislead, their own erroneous beliefs are strengthened.

עָתִיד הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא לַעֲשׂוֹת מָחוֹל לַצַּדִּיקִים, וְהוּא יוֹשֵׁב בֵּינֵיהֶם בְּגַן עֵדֶן; וְכָל אֶחָד וְאֶחָד מַרְאֶה בְּאֶצְבָּעוֹ זֶה ה' קִוִּינוּ לוֹ, הִנֵּה אֶלֺקֵינוּ זֶה; קִוִּנוּ לוֹ וְיוֹשִׁיעֵנוּ