Isn't this whole thing about how a GREEK word of a HEBREW/JEWISH concept getting old?? The fact of the matter is that both Professors of this forum have pretty much corrected Weboh of his supposed erudition of Biblical Greek and Sophiee and Zvi have pretty much corrected him of his abysmal lack of Jewish education and historical relevance of Jeesus.

I think we're free roaming way off topic here. The topic was about some xian wanna be but never will be "rabbi" spouting off nonsense that was easily refuted and pretty much shown to be nothing more than pig fodder. Then we went into whether "dr" brown had a supernatural experience. The bottom line is that miracles are not full litmus test of truth. Miracle chasing xians (as opposed to many xians who are not so!) are obsessed with validating every claim of a miracle and then filtering it through their little theological prisms to see if it matches with their expectations as from jeesus or from the devil; discounting everything whose end result isn't a conversion to or a confirmation of their belief in jeesus.

It's for this reason they discount the Sinai Revelation. They gripe about a "disembodied" Voice but see no problem wanting us to believe in a guy who historically didn't exist or the guy as the Living Zombie or Undead after supposed dying to save. if you have to die to save shouldn't you be "dead" for the "saving" to be effective??

It's pointless to try to convince them. But neither should it be seen as a concession that they're right and we're wrong. We have our ancestors to verify the Revelation at Sinai... they have a bunch of disjointed stories string together with theological mismatched threads and sold with the lie of being "the harmony of the Gospels". Never mind that just with the stories of the crucifixion and resurrection, there are no more than 69 contradictions in the narrative. And this is just as it concerns the crucifixion and resurrection.

So maybe it's time to return to the subject at hand... the claim of a silly little pulpit creation of a xian movement and how his silly little claims about being Jewish are easily refuted by FACTS. And that's the take-away. CLAIMS can never take the place of FACTS.