Mark:

Not to belabor the point... but I did present the questions in a yes or no format. As for stumping you, I would ask you to please not insult my intelligence. My queries were hardly academic.  Neither were they a scholastically paradox nor a theological conundrum. They also weren't trick questions.  Instead you hemmed and hawed and basically did a song and dance. 


But here is the crux of why you won't answer my questions:  You stated:

On the other hand, I do believe that it's possible for a Ouija board to move around by itself and spell the name of a dead person, or whatever.  But I do NOT believe that tapping into that power is acceptable to God, or according to His will.

  


So to you, the "will of G-d" is a buffet platter from which you choose what you want and disregard what you don't want?   And pray tell, how do you determine this "Will of G-d"?  Repeatedly, you were shown what G-d clearly and definitively told the Jewish people ala Sophiee's posts---straight from the Torah.  There is no ambiguity here.  G-d told the Jewish people not to put faith in miracles or be a miracle chaser.   So who should we believe--- G-d or you?  Quite frankly, it appears as if you want us to abandon G-d in favor of a pack of lies; purposely ignoring what G-d said.   So you've essentially answered the questions with your polemic tap dance.  And furthermore, isn't naming and claiming miracles in the name of a dead guy (jeesus) the SAME as necromancy and the Ouija board.. oh I forgot.. the difference between those "pagans" and xians is that you/they use the "holy spirit".  My bad.  

Then you stated in response to the question why xians don't believe the miracles of other faiths



No, because they are explicitly antithetical to the faith handed down from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  And they are explicitly antithetical to Jesus.  Now you would say the same thing about miracles performed in Jesus' name (if you believed that they actually occurred, which, as I outlined above, I suspect you do not).  What would be necessary, then, is for God Himself to somehow resolve the "antithetical" nature of Christianity against Judaism.  



There's so much error in this statement, not to mention arrogance.   How is it that those pagan faiths are in your words "antithetical to the faith handed down from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" but belief in a godling whose daddy impregnated a "virgin" (akin to Zeus and Diana) is NOT???   How is the religion of Mithras not line with the faith of the Patriarchs but your dying and resurrecting godling is??   

The very nature of Xianity (that its man is its god) IS antithetical to G-d and His Torah (be sure to read that again).  So it doesn't require anything on the part of G-d to resolve this fundamental problem between xianity and Judaism anymore than it required Him to resolve the conflict between Judaism and the billion other idolatrous cults.  The Torah was given to the Jewish people as to how THEY are to conduct themselves.  Jews do not make converts or try to convince others about the miracles of their religion.  This isn't a matter of the opinion of one religion against another.  Succinctly, YOU have the problem.  G-d Himself via the Torah is very much against a Jew having any participation in what G-d calls idolatry---a Jew can never be for Jeesus, Mithras, Apollo, Hera, Artemis, Dionysis, Diana, etc.   

You seem to be under this foolish notion that G-d and Torah are not only separable but that you're worshipping the same G-d as we are and that we have to be "convinced" by G-d to accept that which G-d forbids a Jew to be engaged in.  But the reality is that this isn't a case of G-d being part of your religion and somehow has His hands tied in trying to convince us of the validity of your religion.   Again, G-d made it very clear what is NOT allowed.  Since you have repeatedly ignored the posts Sophiee has posted concerning G-d's commands on the issue, it's clear you simply do not trust what G-d has to say about this issue, and therefore willfully IGNORE the "Will of G-d" as it relates to what He told the Jewish People. 

What's more, G-d Himself was/is against what He knew would rise on the scene not only with the pagan religions that would arise, but also with your religion.  Because He had this foreknowledge (after all, He's G-d!), He warned us in the pages of the Torah (and later with the Prophets) NOT to accept or go after any of it (including this nonsense of Jeesus).  What?  You don't think G-d could have had the foreknowledge of your religion and forewarned us in the pages of the Torah?  Yet you want us to accept the "resurrection story" de jour implicit in the conflicting Gospels??  

G-d would not convince us to follow after something that He forbade.  Again, G-d is not theologically schizophrenic or polemically bipolar.  You want to use G-d and/or alleged miracles as some sort of jingling set of car keys to a baby;.  We're not amused.  We know what G-d stated, which you blatantly want us to reject in favor of "miracle chasing".  You conveniently ignore the fact that we have dismissed the supposed miracles of a million other gods; the only difference is that the claims of the alleged jesus have been pushed longer and harder by more people (xians) than those alleged miracles of the Greek Pantheon.  But even if 50 million people vouch for the miracles of Jeesus, it matters NOT.  G-d said not to trust any of them.  So you've answered the two question just with THIS post alone:  that jeesus' alleged miracles trump the Torah and we are to ignore what G-d said in favor of what you're doing with this stupid miracle nonsense.. but you go one step further.. trying to negate the Torah all the while arranging a forced marriage between the Jewish People and your no-god.  You just do not have the guts to say so. 

But here lies the simple and most troubling fact which you and your co-religionists do not want to accept and it is this:  Judaism and xianity do NOT worship the same G-d.  This whole matter would be cleared up in an instant if you would only accept that undeniable axiom.  It is not US who are rejecting G-d in favor of wondrous, unverifiable hooplah about jeesus.  No, rather it is YOU who are rejecting G-d and His actual "WILL" in favor of being a Jeesus miracle chaser.  

So since you've answered the questions via this post, I see no need to continue.  If Sophiee's posts directly from the Torah and the "Mouth of G-d" will not convince you (as you are now obstinate), then there really is nothing more to say on this issue and everything henceforth is just a rehashing.  You choose the alleged "miracles" of jeesus over the "Word of G-d".  The questions have been answered and your premise has been revealed.   Game over. 

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