Hi Sophiee, Dougg, lately your posts have been heavily proselytizing which is why a few have been deleted. This one is another example. Try to get your point across without the hellfire and brimstone. Phrase things in the form of a question not a declarative statement -- and remember that you are a guest in a Jewish forum

Okay, I will try to do better in that regards.

I don't think I have said anything about hellfire and brimstone anywhere in any of those posts, however. If you can recall, in my posts, I said the Jews will be saved physically and eventually spiritually (from the Christian standpoint) - just the opposite of fire and brimstone.

I get the message that you don't like my showing that from the Christian bible here at MT. That's why I tried to express it as information sharing of what we believe. I don't recall packaging what I believe as a statement of fact, although I certainly view it that way.

While I what wrote may not be relavent understandably from a Judaism standpoint, as Uri stated. IMHO, it is relavent to a countermissionary discussion because those precise issues which were deleted in those posts is exactly what Christians like me are going to be saying to Jews in the real world and other sites....which now I can say that the MT countermissionary site avoids those issues. My own personal opinion is why avoid them, as long as I distinguish that they are Christian concepts and not Judaism's.

Enough on that. Let's move forward. Thanks for not over-reacting.

Dougg, context, context. Implied means nothing. Why ignore quotes that refute your implication? Why do you not quote:

Quote:1 Samuel 9:17 "When Samuel saw Saul, HaShem spoke up to him, "This is the man whom I said to you, This one will rule over my people. He will save My people from the hand of the Philistines, for I have looked upon My people, for their cry has come to Me.""

G-d selected Samuel as king. G-d is the 'king of kings" but you seem to be confusing that with earthly kings. Who ruled Israel before Samuel? Does the name Joshua ring a bell? How about the various Judges? In other words there were always rulers -- and G-d had said there would be an earthly king.


I think you mean Saul. Anyway, yes, God selected Saul because to me Israel rejected God as their king.... like it said Israel, not God, would eventually want a man-king over them, in Deutronomy. It was not God's desire, but recognition of what Israel would do. Even so, God did not want them to have just any man as king. The quote from your source:
Quote:

Deuteronomy 17:14 When you come to the land that G-d your Lord is giving you, so that you have occupied it and settled it, you will eventually say, 'We would like to appoint a king, just like all the nations around us.' 17:15 You must then appoint the king whom G-d your L-rd shall choose.


Phrase things in the form of a question not a declarative statement

Well, I did put in the form of a question - What verse in the bible says that the events in Zechariah 14 about the armies
surrounding Jerusalem and rescued by the Lord - is the battle of Gog/Magog as you said in a previous post? You seemed to have put that as a declarative statement. That's why I am asking for an exact verse. Are you sure that you are not reflecting an end-times scenario from the Jewish perspective?

Peace,

Doug L.