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Of course there are martyrs in other religions... islam, buddhism etc. But those convictions were based upon indoctrination i.e brainwashing, while the apostles ALL were changed by the direct risen Jesus - in person, not a teaching or philosophy. How could have that been a lie that they ALL were changed, that they became super evangelizes that all should believe in Jesus?


who are these "ALL that were changed by the direct risen j-zuz - in person," dougg? the twelve? not many to base your statements on. twelve died for a belief in your risen god? once again, no historical proof that they died for this belief and for no other reason. heck, jim jones had 900 who were changed by the direct jim jones and a belief in him. and there is historical proof that all of them died. so they died for truth?

and if you think there is no "indoctrination i.e. brainwashing" in xianity, i would think again. the threat of an eternal burning in hell is "indoctrination i.e. brainwashing" through fear. ask any ex-cult member how "indoctrination i.e. brainwashing" happens and it is through fear. either the fear of actual threats being made or the fear that something horrible will come about if their beliefs do not line up with the beliefs of the cult and the cult leader.