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Gretta,
Wow! A double fallacy! A dose of Ad Hominem Tu Quoque followed by Hasty Generalization.
Actually, to have Hasty Generalization the person using it would have to observe the group that is being used in the sample. In this case, how can the group be observed?
As Sophiee, stated how do we know that what is recorded is fiction or real experiences?
Let's say you have dinner with your rabbi. Is that a belief or an experience?
The next day you tell your friends about having dinner with your rabbi. Now they may choose to believe your or not. To me their's would be a belief. But what you had was an experience.
The disciples had an experience with the resurrected Jesus, ate with him, and finally saw him ascend to heaven.
Sophiee's point is how do we know that a group of people didn't just make the gospel up and the resurrection and the appearance of Jesus to the disciples? Which is the purpose of the title of my post. Who would die for a lie? The disciples died for an experience. Whether we chose to believe the account of their experience as being true or not - well that's a decision everyone will have to make for themselves.
mbczion suggested that the whole thing was a hoax. But why I say? Why would 100% of the disciples get together even after Peter had denied even knowing Jesus and all of the other disciples also abandoned him get together to conspire a hoax which would cause them to be persecuted, journey a lifetime to foreign lands, and eventually be killed. Even planning afore hand that the disciple John would not be killed. How could they have controlled that? And through that 40 or 50 years of journeys, hardships, persecution, torture, and eventually death that not a one of them over that entire period said - oh we just made it up?
No, my rationale says there is no way that it was a planned hoax.
Doug L.
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