Hi Uri, Doug -

Quote:8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

Then Jesus said, based upon that principle - because God is certainly not a man, who the two were in his case.

8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Just some observations about the above:

- So, according to John 8:17, yeshu did not consider himself a Jew since he said "written in your Law". A Jew would have referred to the Torah as "our law".

- In the same verse, it appears also that yeshu didn't consider himself as G-d [G-d forbid!], otherwise he would have referred to the Torah as "My Law", or even "my Father's Law".


Uri, you have to keep in mind that in the four gospels there is an ongoing battle between Jesus and the Pharisees over the Pharisees' embellishment of the law to the point of making it a heavy burden on the people. So from that standpoint, Jesus would not had said "our" law, or "my law".

- Paraphrasing John 8:18, "I am my own witness, and my daddy is the other witness". I'd love to hear what a judge would say if a defendant were to say this. It wouldn't hold up in any court of law.


You are making disparaging joke, not an argument. Regardless, God is sovereign and is not accountable in a court of law to prove His record true.


- According to "our Law", the two witnesses are required to testify in person, "... at the mouth of two witnesses ..." [Deut 19:15], which is not the case here (did "the Father" say anything that the others heard?).


The Father's testimony was in the miracles Jesus did. Has anyone every healed a blind man who was blind from birth?

Isaiah 42 kjv
42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.


What covenant is that, Uri?


Peace,

Doug L.