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Dear Rabbi Daniel:
Re. your last post to me.
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"the texts of the New Testament, which have equal standing with respect to authenticity"
Since it's not rational for an annonymously written text to have equal standing with a text written by a prophet of G-d, based on what external authority to you base this claim?
Charlie -- The writers of the Old Testament are no less anonymous than the writers of the New Testament, Sir.
What you and I know of Daniel, for instance, whom we both believe wrote the book of Daniel, is what we read in the Old Testament.
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"it is in order, I think, for students of the New Testament to familiarize themselves with the texts of Judaism."
That means you ask us what it says. Not tell us what it says.
Charlie -- Why must I ask you, Sir?
I have the same text to work with as do you.
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when those who believe Jesus... seek to draw attention to such texts is when you think you have a "need to come up with reasons to disqualify Jesus as the messiah,".
Another irrational statement.
The burden of proof is on you to prove he is. Not us to prove he isn't. Disqualification is the given till he does what the Messiah is supposed to do.
So you'll say that's what you're doing by re-interpreting our texts. Proving he is.
Well, you'll have to come up with a different method because re-interpreting our texts isn't an option.
We know what they mean.
WE were THERE. Not you.
We were there in our text's time.
We were there in jesus' time, be it 100 years before or 100 years after the "agreed upon" date.
Whenever and whereever you want to say something about something, WE were THERE!
Charlie Irrational, Sir? What stikes me as irrational is that you chose to take what I wrote out of context. Even so, what I wrote is no more irrational than your own statement, as I see it. Gentiles were there during all the times of which you speak. You and I were not there but our ancestors were there. Your ancestors have the some beginnings as mine, Noah and his family. We were all created by God, Sir, and the distinguishing thing, that sets male Israelites apart from other men, is the fact they were all circumcised on the 8th day.
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"It is my hope"/ #1 and "It is #2 are one in the same, and regarding the destruction of the Second Temple. A calamity set in motion long before xtianity popped up.
No prophecy of the destruction speaks of xtianity popping up.
Xtianity is irrelevant to any of these prophecies.
Our Messiah is supposed to restore the damage done by these catastrophic prophecies, which obviously hasn't happened yet.
So I have no idea what connection you are trying to make with them.
Charlie Sorry I did not make myself clear. I was not suggesting Christianity played any part in the destruction, Sir. The fact is it was the rebellion of zealous Israelites of the first century against Roman rule that led to the destruction of the first century.
You speak of these catastrophic prophecies but say they have not happened yet then say Messiah is to restore the damage done but the damage has not happened yet????
When do you expect the damage will be done, or more importantly, when and where do you think the temple will be rebuilt in order for the damage to be done?
The connection I was attempting to make was the connection between prophecies referring to destruction of the temple and the destruction of the first century.
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"It is my hope" #3; You are mistaken about the State of Israel. A seudo-democratic, secular society with 25% of world Jewry has little to do with prophecies of an ingathering, an installed king and the Third Temple.
Charlie - The pseudo-democratic, secular society to which you refer, will be holding a democratic election next month, Sir. This will be as democratic an election as those held in other democratic nations. It might interest you to know, by the way, a recent poll has shown there are now as many Jews in Israel as there are in the US.
The fact is, Sir, the ingathering has been in progress since 1948 and the Nation of Israel, in Israel, is an independent nation, after over 1,900 years of exile.
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"How do you, in the mature reasoning you profess to apply,"
Already done.
Charlie Allow me to suggest you reconsider.
God Bless you. Charlie.







