I have known that casting out demons in Jesus name is effective. If he is a fraud as you say then why do demons fear His name
Casting out demons in Jesus name
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Posts: 1 (01/08/09 06:14:23) |
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ProfBenTziyyon |
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Posts: 1620 (01/08/09 07:05:30) |
You are delusional, sir. Since "demons" do not even exist, they cannot be "cast out" in Yoshke's name or in any other name. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל |
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Posts: 11655 (01/08/09 07:11:31) Moderator |
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings -- but demons don't exist. And most likely, neither did Jsus.
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Posts: 135 (01/08/09 08:25:16) |
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Elijah08 |
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Posts: 5 (01/08/09 10:40:51) |
I heard that part of demon working tools is to make people believe they don't exist. The people who are demon possessed don't actually know that they
are, same as mad people.
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Posts: 11656 (01/08/09 11:14:04) Moderator |
I heard there is a great big pink unicorn who brings candy corn to French people.
And the KJPV says there are unicorns. Big deal.
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Posts: 1514 (01/08/09 12:19:05) |
Elijah08 wrote: That's an extremely convenient outlook, don't you think? Haven't you ever wondered why it is always Christians - who believe in Yeshu, the devil, demons, the whole nine - who become "possessed", and who conduct - and have conducted on them - exorcisms. |
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Posts: 36 (01/08/09 14:21:56) |
What then are shedim? I thought they were demons.
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reuven65 |
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Posts: 5262 (01/08/09 14:33:09) |
More nonsense and delusional fantasies based on Paganism and naturally being peddled here for us to contemplate. Well, after contemplating this fictitious,
absurd and ridiculous tripe I am convinced that those who believe in demons or monsters are brainwashed.
Missionaries are perfect nuisances and leave every place worse than they found it.
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Posts: 11657 (01/08/09 16:01:16) Moderator |
dawn6773 wrote:Shedim are false gods mentioned in Deuteronomy 32:17, nothing like the Chrstian idea of a demon. They sacrificed to shedim, which have no power
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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dawn6773 |
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Posts: 37 (01/08/09 17:59:14) |
Are there then entities that are either malevolent or benevolent?
I have seen strange things personally and heard of them through religion classes and the history channel. I have a hard time accepting this concept as nonexisting illusions or figments of people's imaginations...but if that is what they are, so be it. I know that this is not a topic to be focused on and takes away from things that are important. But it would be nice to have even a basic answer for the "strange things that go bump in the night", if you will, even if for no other reason than to debunk the crazy things that come around in conversation or through media. Sadly, many of us exs have questions about such topics because of our past. It was a big thing there...especially among the charismatics. I'll have to look up Dt 32:17. Is shedim in the Hebrew? In Yiddish stories I have read, shedim come up from time to time. What is that about? They were not depicted as idols; but goatlike creatures. I believe the author Eric Kimmel wrote several children stories with mischievious creatures in them...Herschel and the Chanukkah Goblins is one. Children's stories with a clever moral...based on what? I've also read several chassidic tales of rabbis confronting entities. Apparently you know the C-an view. How do Jews understand this? I know it is not totally ignored, but that it is also not focused on. |
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Posts: 2 (01/08/09 18:34:47) |
Really? No one as you know has been afflicted by evil spirits before? There is no solution in judaism for those demonically possessed?
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Posts: 11658 (01/08/09 19:47:36) Moderator |
Nope. Ain't no such animal.
There is one G-d. He created everything -- and that includes good and evil. When G-d created man He gave us human (physical needs). These needs can be abused (the need for food becomes gluttony, the need for procreation becomes rape, adultery, or abusive, etc.). This is our yetzer hara -- our evil inclination. It is in all of us, but we (as G-d told Cain in Genesis 4) can over come it. If you look to blame demons or devils you are indulging your own evil inclination, and abdicating the responsibility G-d gave you to be a decent human being. The evil inclination is there to test you, and by casting the blame on some fictional entity like a devil or a demon you are simply indulging people's bad behavior. Nothing more. There are messengers who act on behalf of G-d, to do what we perceive as good and bad things, but all of this is again to test us. In the end the responsibility lays with us and ONLY us -- to follow G-d's little instruction book (Torah) and to be good people
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Posts: 540 (01/08/09 21:11:45) |
Zero wrote: Nope, there is no solution because there aren't any Jews who are demonically possessed. I guess it's only xtians! You cannot have a solution for something that doesn't exist. |
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Posts: 866 (01/08/09 22:09:10) |
A lot of cultures have stories and myths about demons. Has anyone heard of Lilith? Lilith is a story based within Judaism.
However, one can take the stories literally or as myth. When I say myth, I do not mean something that is a false story. I mean something of traditional origin that is meant to teach a specific lesson about the nature of life and or the traditions, the customs, or the psychological nature of a group of people. As far as casting out demons via Christianity's worldview, I find it very demeaning, damaging, and destructive. I use to be a Christian. And yes, I use to share the view that people could have demons. Yes. I thought that demons could be caste out. I am sure there are people who post here who remember me trying to caste out demons via the EZBoard message boards.  (Hard to believe I
had that worldview at one time.)
My view changed about demons when I was the person on the receiving end of "having a demon" caste out. It happened at a Saturday morning prayer meeting that I would attend whenever I could at the Christian church where I had membership at the time. I never went back to that prayer meeting after that. And my pull toward the Jewish community in the local area where I live grew stronger. My view about demons is that folks can get so focused on demons and even on the idea of the Christian devil that folks can loose focus of G-d in general. Whenever one places something or someone before G-d, one has created an idol. My view of this is so strong that I do not take Chassidic stories about demons, golems or dybbuks literally. I understand the stories as myth. Shalom, Gretta
"Real creativity does not come from absolutes, but rather from the tension between opposite ideas." ~ Rabbi Avi Weiss
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Zero |
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Posts: 3 (01/08/09 22:34:32) |
Not just evil spirits, Christians are able to banish illness and curses in Jesus name. I have also been taught that if any apparition were to appear in front
of me, I would merely bring up the name of Jesus and it would flee for such things cannot stand His name.
Regardless no one, not even you is able to dispute that there is power in Jesus name |
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dawn6773 |
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Posts: 39 (01/08/09 22:58:02) |
Sophiee, from your answer, it would seem the answer to my question would be that these stories Yiddish, chassidic, and children's are about people dealing
with HaShem's messengers. That maybe there was something for them to be tested with or a lesson that needed to be portrayed through these stories.
I do know that some of the wacko stuff I saw in the past was from people working themselves up in a dither. That would be allowing themselves to be influenced by the yetzer hara, correct? The couple unexplainable things would be possibly tests from HaShem through messengers. Is this correct? As I type this, I vaguely remember us discussing this before. Sorry if this is a repeat. There have been so many things I've had to absorb the past few months. I'm sure I'll be repeating myself a few times. Don't mean to aggravate you. Guess a few things are taking a little longer than others to get relearned. ;) For my sake, would you let me know if I understood and applied what you said correctly? Thanks. |
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Posts: 1695 (01/08/09 23:02:37) Director of Education |
Zero wrote:The only ones to turn 180 degrees and head away from you when you bring up the name of your mangod yeshu are Jews. We don't believe in or accept him in any way shape or form since he is irrelevant to Judaism, our faith. Zero wrote:Nonsense! Here's a good test of what you claim. Stand on an active railroad track and, as a train approaches, bring up yeshu's name and order the train to stop. If, as you say, there is power in your mangod's name, then you'll be able to return to our forum and report it to us. 
UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!! |
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Zero |
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Posts: 4 (01/08/09 23:23:44) |
There are numerous accounts of Jesus and his disciples delivering Israelites from evil spirits in the gospels. Do you regard these parts as fiction?
If so on what grounds? |
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UriYosef |
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Posts: 1696 (01/09/09 00:25:17) Director of Education |
Zero wrote:They are fictitious, as are most of the accounts in the Greek Text. Not only is the Greek Text filled with not only internal contradictions, but also with false claims concerning the fulfillment of prophecies (most of which aren't really prophecies) in the Hebrew Scriptures. Apparently, you have not visited our Counter-Missionary Page where, in particular, I direct you to the essays O Little Town of Bethlehem� (of Galilee) as evidence that the accounts of the Nativity in the Greek Text are fictitious., and Genealogical Scams and Flimflams as evidence that the genealogies in the Greek Text are fictitious. These are just two examples, and the rest of the essays provide even more evidence to support the fact that the Greek Text is filled with worthless accounts. UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!! |
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Zero |
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Posts: 5 (01/09/09 01:21:43) |
Is there not even one thing in judaism which pertains to spiritual warfare?
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