You said evil spirits do not exist. Was not King Saul tormented by one in 1 Samuel?
Casting out demons in Jesus name
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Posts: 17 (01/15/09 18:00:59) |
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 Sophiee1 |
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Posts: 11688 (01/15/09 21:12:50) Moderator |
Zero wrote:You are confusing the idea of spiritual beings with EVIL spirits. Only man (and G-d) have free will. Spirits (such as angels) can not be evil, because they can only do G-d's bidding. Artscroll translates 1 Samuel 16 as "a spirit of melancholy from HaShem (G-d)" descended upon Saul. In other words, Saul was depressed because G-d's holy spirit had left Saul. Wouldn't you be depressed, too? There ARE non-human spirts. When people die our immortal souls (which are spirit) leave our bodies -- indeed the spirit of Samuel is later called by Saul after he is dead! 1 Samuel 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you roused me, to bring me up?"If you want to read this translation click on Show Rashi's Commentary and it will take you to this chapter. Saul sinned by calling on the spirit of Samuel (which certainly was NOT evil). Why? Not to suffer any one practicing witchcraft to live (Ex. 22:17) There are no EVIL spirits such as demons or demi-gods. No devils. No boogey men. Not any such thing in the Tanach, as has already been shown to you in this very thread. Good question though. It just goes to show the gulf between Judaism and Chrstianity -- at least some Chrstians.
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Posts: 11689 (01/15/09 21:19:40) Moderator |
Here is a video of a Muslim having a demon exorcised.� The second is a Bddhst exorcism.� The third is a cat having one. � What was that about Jsus having the
power to cast out demons? �
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Posts: 1639 (01/16/09 02:50:17) |
Zero wrote:
The christian Per-Versions which render רוּחַ רָעָה as "an evil [or 'unclean'] spirit" are mistranslations (whether deliberate or unintentional, I cannot say). In other contexts, such as that of B'midbar 5:14 and 5:30, the word רוּחַ is best translated as a "fit", e.g. Could it be because the context of B'midbar, chapter 5, is such that it's ridiculous to claim that "evil spirits" are at work that christians never cite that passage in support of their absurd claims that the expression רוּחַ רָעָה refers to "demons"? http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
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Posts: 5265 (01/20/09 14:02:37) |
Zero wrote: I not only can but WILL say there is no power in your false messiah's name because as far as many Jews believe, he NEVER existed!
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Posts: 12 (01/20/09 15:55:38) |
...seriously I am shocked. Please pardon the amazement, I am not very familiar with Judaism. I took it for granted that everyone believe or know these things.
Demon's don't exist, there are no evil spirit beings, no spiritual warfare !! Please is this a standard Judaism belief (like the 13 principles of faith) or is this the personal opinion of the Jewish posters here ? Thank you. |
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Posts: 1526 (01/20/09 16:24:33) |
Elijah -
Honestly, I think those are questions best brought to our excellent Rabbis in the Ask Rabbi section of this forum. To put it simply, no, Judaism does not believe the same things as Christianity when it comes to concepts like the devil, demons, hell, etc. However, to get a more complete picture/answer I think it would be best for you to explore your questions there. |
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Posts: 1 (01/20/09 17:32:55) |
Elijah08
Please is this a standard Judaism belief (like the 13 principles of faith) or is this the personal opinion of the Jewish posters here ? Thank you. Folah78 This might answer your question: Psalm 91 (JPT) 5. You will not fear the fright of night, the arrow that flies by day; 6. Pestilence that prowls in darkness, destruction that ravages at noon. 7. A thousand will be stationed at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand; but it will not approach you. Rashi's Commentary 5. You will not fear if you trust in Him. the arrow that flies by day the demon that flies like an arrow. 6. Pestilence, etc., destruction These are names of demons; one destroys at night, and one destroys at noon. ravages Heb. יָשוּד, [equivalent to] יְשוֹדֵד. 7. A thousand will be stationed at your side Heb. יפל, an expression of encamping, as (Gen. 25:18): "before the face of all his brothers did he settle (נפל)." at your side At your left a thousand demons will be stationed, and they will not approach you to harm [you]. |
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Posts: 1653 (01/20/09 17:41:52) |
Elijah08 wrote:
Elijah08 wrote:
Elijah08 wrote:
Elijah08 wrote:
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל |
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Posts: 1654 (01/20/09 20:04:41) |
folah78 wrote:
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל |
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Posts: 2 (01/20/09 21:07:05) |
ProfBenTziyyon wrote:Folah78 Only Hashem knows who is truly goyim (gentile) professor ! If non-Jews are not allowed to quote Jewish sources then technically the tanach is off limit to non-Jews then ! |
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Posts: 157 (01/20/09 21:51:49) |
Professor
Elijah08's question ("Is your belief according to the majority of Jews?") is a very common whenever question when a Jew states something that goes against xian beliefs. |
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Posts: 1529 (01/20/09 21:59:17) |
Mordochai -
Folah has posted under a different account before and she is not a Jew. |
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Posts: 1657 (01/20/09 23:30:41) |
folah78 wrote:
But in any event you are obviously and demonstrably wrong; the Torah gives us (i.e. the Jewish Courts) jurisdiction over who is and who is not Jewish.... if God had retained this issue for Himself to decide there would be chaos because we would never know who is a Jew and who is not, and one result of this would be that no Jew would ever be able to get married!!! folah78 wrote:
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל |
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Posts: 1658 (01/20/09 23:34:14) |
Netanel wrote:
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל |
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Posts: 3 (01/21/09 00:05:30) |
Netanel wrote:Hi Netanel. Yuku may have messed up my password and account so I just created another. I am just trying to get use to Yuku. |
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Posts: 116 (01/21/09 07:43:51) |
You can believe what you want. But just because you do not believe in something doesn't mean it isn't true. I have had dealings with demons myself and
casted them out. And Jesus name has worked for me.
The picture is of my grandson, isn't he grand, isn't he sweet? Children are gifts from the Lord but to have a grandson is a double blessing from the Lord. |
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Posts: 117 (01/21/09 07:58:31) |
If I really wanted to you, I could make you all believers in evil spirits. If I knew you personally, I would take you to spend the night in the most haunted
place. Then come back the next day to see if you believe different. I also could show you how powerful the name of Jesus is in such a place.
The picture is of my grandson, isn't he grand, isn't he sweet? Children are gifts from the Lord but to have a grandson is a double blessing from the Lord. |
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Posts: 11715 (01/21/09 09:50:19) Moderator |
Pamela Susette wrote:This is the well known "placebo effect." You want to believe, even though it is illogical and thus you believe -- even though Torah tells you very clearly not to pray to false gods, and this includes Jsus: Deuteronomy 13:1 The entire word that I command you, that shall you observe to do; you shall not add to it and you shall not subtract from it. [2] If there should stand up in your midst a prophet or a dreamer of a dream, and he will produce to you a sign or a wonder, [3] and the sign or the wonder comes about, of which he spoke to you, saying "Let us follow G-ds of others that you did not know and we shall worship them!" [4] do not hearken to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of a dream, for HASHEM, your G-d, is testing you to know whether you love HASHEM, your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul. [5] HASHEM, your G-d, shall you follow and Him shall you fear; His commandments shall you observe and to His voice shall you hearken; Him shall you serve and to Him shall you cleave.Didn't you watch those videos on Islamic and Hndus casting out demons in the names of their religion? Don't you find that a tad suspicious? Qur'an 72:1 "Say (Muhammad): 'It has been revealed to me that a group of (three to ten) Jinn [demons or devils]. . .So, Pamela maybe you should rush right out and become a Muslim or a Hndu! How about it! Apparently they can cast out demons, too! Don't listen to one who prophesies in the name of an idol (Deut. 13:4 -- this certainly fits Jsus); Don't practice nachesh (doing things based on signs and portents; using charms and incantations) (Lev. 19:26) Don't consult with spirits (Lev. 19:31). By blaming everything on a third party as evil you abdicate your G-d given free will to make this world a better place. It is an easy "cop out" and that is all it is. You are leading yourselves farther away from G-d, not closer.
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Pamela Susette |
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Posts: 118 (01/21/09 14:45:25) |
Thanks Sophiee for your info. But lets just leave Jesus out of this topic. Lets talk about spirits from a science point of view. There is proof that the spirit
world is real and science has proven this. There are ghost investigators that use cameras, tape recorders, things that measure temptures ect. They have tooken
pictures of spirits on camera and even recorded them. How can you deny that? If it is all in someone head then how on earth do spirits show up on cameras,
voices are recorded on tape recorders, and temptures drop when there is a spirit in the room? Please explain that? Even the Bible mentions ghost. Remember the
story of Samuel appearing to King Saul at a siance? Was it Samuel's spirit or what? The Bible does mention this story. And what about the spirit that
tormented King Saul? So how can you say that spirits are not real when they are in the Bible.
You mention the "placebo effect" even an atheist who doesn't believe in God could use the placebo effect against you and me for believing in God. He or she could say the samething that God is all in our head because we believe in Him. Also I did not watch the videos because I was reading over this and had a few min. to leave for work. Besides my computer runs slow with videos having dial up. I am sure the videos are interesting and I always wonder how pagans cast out demons. So going back to demons and ghosts, how do you explain actually prove that sciencist have? Can you say that its all in the cameras' head, its all the tape recorders head? Maybe I don't exist either. Maybe this post is the placebo effect and its all in your head that you are reading this. You want so much to believe I am real maybe I'm not real. Maybe you and everyone is dreaming that this person just posted this. The picture is of my grandson, isn't he grand, isn't he sweet? Children are gifts from the Lord but to have a grandson is a double blessing from the Lord. |
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