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Elijah08	prince of persia.	#101	[-]
Posts: 13 (01/24/09 17:44:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sophiee1 wrote: ....... G-d and man are the only two entities that have free will (and you need free will to be evil). When we die, we no longer have free will -- you have to have a body to have physical needs (the wellspring of evil inclinations). ....... Daniel 10. 12. And he said to me "Fear not, Daniel, for since the first day that you set your heart to contemplate and to fast before your God, your words were heard, and I have come because of your words. 13. And the prince of the kingdom of Persia has been standing against me for twenty-one days, and behold Michael, one of the first princes, has come to help, and I remained there beside the kings of Persia. (JPT) If angels have no free will who then is the prince of Persia, and who made him prince over persia ?. Thank you.
Sophiee1		#102	[-]
Posts: 11744 (01/25/09 10:47:12) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Elijah, sorry your post wasn't released earlier. For some reason I couldn't see it. UriYosef sent me two private messages asking me to release it (policy is if a post is addressed to a specific mod we leave it for that person), but it wasn't showing up. I finally went to your profile, clicked on it from there and magically it appeared! The prince or ruler (sar) of Persia in Daniel 10:13 refers to the guardian angel assigned to aid Persia. He is G-d's servant and has no free will (no angels have free will). Can you show me in Daniel 10 where any of those messengers are against G-d? Where do either the Prince of Persia or Michael show free will? סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12 Last Edited By: Sophiee1 01/25/09 10:55:22. Edited 1 times.
Netanel		#103	[-]
Posts: 1537 (01/25/09 11:46:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sophiee that has happened to me a number of times recently, particularly when the post is going to form the first post on a new page. The only way I have found to get around it is to click on the person's name who is showing as last posting and clicking on their post from their profile, then releasing.
Sophiee1		#104	[-]
Posts: 11745 (01/25/09 11:52:39) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	By happenstance that is exactly what I did, and there was the post! This must have something to do with Yuku. סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
Ben Masada		#105	[-]
Posts: 104 (01/29/09 06:19:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Zero wrote: I have known that casting out demons in Jesus name is effective. If he is a fraud as you say then why do demons fear His name Okay Zero, what are demons, would you care defining them to me? My opinion of them, or of Satan, is that such a thing is but a concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man. You know, adversary. The abstract emanation that stands between you and the good you intend to do. Satan or demons as a being, are fabrications of religious crooks to play with peoples feelings, and make a living out of the naives of this world. Tell me how you do not agree with me, which I suppose you don't. Ben
Ben Masada		#106	[-]
Posts: 105 (01/29/09 06:24:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Elijah08 wrote: I heard that part of demon working tools is to make people believe they don't exist. The people who are demon possessed don't actually know that they are, same as mad people. And I believe you, because the person who coined that statement that, "part of demon working tools is to make peope believe they don't exist," was first said as deterrant to safeguard the belief in demons. Ben
Ben Masada		#107	[-]
Posts: 106 (01/29/09 07:01:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	dawn6773 wrote: What then are shedim? I thought they were demons. Shedim are nothing but things of superstitious imaginations as we, unfortunately, also have among old idle women. Ben
Ben Masada		#108	[-]
Posts: 107 (01/29/09 07:14:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Zero wrote: Really? No one as you know has been afflicted by evil spirits before? There is no solution in judaism for those demonically possessed? There is no such a thing as a demonically possessed Jew. The name is mentally disturbed people as a result of a chemical brain unbalance whose mind somehow stops functioning properly. Ben
Ben Masada		#109	[-]
Posts: 108 (01/29/09 07:23:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Zero wrote: Not just evil spirits, Christians are able to banish illness and curses in Jesus name. I have also been taught that if any apparition were to appear in front of me, I would merely bring up the name of Jesus and it would flee for such things cannot stand His name. Regardless no one, not even you is able to dispute that there is power in Jesus name But Zero, what for Heaven's sake are you talking about! You can't even contemplate the idea that you are demanging Jesus' credibility with this kind of talk! Jesus was an observant Jew and not a kind of Pope of Voodooism. Ben
Ben Masada		#110	[-]
Posts: 109 (01/29/09 07:32:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Zero wrote: UriYosef wrote: Jesus was tempted in a like manner when Satan dared him to flung himself down a cliff as angels would then come down "lest you dash your feet upon the ground". But Jesus said to Satan "You should not put the Lord your God to the test." Zero, tell me something: Do you really believe that Jesus was in the wilderness fasting for 40 days and being tempted by Satan to flung himself down a cliff? According to the first three gospels, he went to the wilderness immideately after he came out of the Jordan River, where he had been baptized by John the Baptist. How about the fourth Gospel? The next day after that bapbtism he was seen on his way back to Galilee, and on the third day he was at a wedding in Cana being tempted to turn water into wine and not in the desert turning stones into bread. How do you explain that? It means that, that conversation between Jesus and Satan never took place, because there is no such a thing as a being called Satan. Ben
Ben Masada		#111	[-]
Posts: 110 (01/29/09 07:47:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Zero wrote: Hi, I don't believe my initial question has been answered. Why do evil spiritual beings fear the name of Jesus? Many missionaries talk about the myriad and dark spiritual activities in Southeast Asia and it is only through the name of Jesus that they are able to prevail. What makes you think they do? And how can incorporeal things have fear? Fear is an emotion, and emotions do not exist as an outbody experiece. Ben
Sophiee1		#112	[-]
Posts: 11770 (01/29/09 10:10:05) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ben Masada wrote: . . .there is no such a thing as a being called Satan. Ben This is incorrect. The Hebrew word שָׂטָן (satan) is used to speak of both human and non-human adversaries to man. The word שָׂטָן translates to "adversary." So there are MANY satans, but none are a devil or a demi-god who could possibly go against, let alone "tempt" G-d. Likewise there is no hell, although there is Gehenna. סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
ProfBenTziyyon		#113	[-]
Posts: 1682 (01/29/09 12:15:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sophiee1 wrote: ....although there is Gehenna. You mean גֵּי הִנֹּם Gei Hinnom or גֵּי בֶן־הִנֹּם Gei ben-Hinnom (alternative spellings: גֵּיא הִנֹּם or גֵּיא בֶן־הִנֹּם), "Hinnom Valley" or "Hinnom's son Valley", not "Gehenna" which is a christian invention derived from the corruption γέεννα in Matthew 5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33; Mark 9:43, 45, 47; Luke 12:5; and also in James 3:6 in the GT. Gei ben-Hinnom is an actual place, mentioned on numerous occasins in the T'nach; it is the valley to the south of the Old City of Y'rushalayim that runs eastwards from Mount Tziyyon towards Nahal Kidron, and in Biblical times was the location of the Molech Shrine where children were burned alive. Its name consequently came to be synonymous with a place of terror - not a "spiritual place" of torment, but a real, physical place of actual terror because of the horrors that were perpetrated there. In the above map the name גֵּי בֶּן הִנֹּם Gei ben-Hinnom (ben Hinnom Valley) can be clearly seen printed in blue near the bottom of the extract, to the south of הַר צִיּוֹן Har Tziyyon (Mount Tziyyon); the name קִדְרוֹן Kidron can also be seen (again, printed in blue) at the extreme right of the extract, to the south of the enclosed Temple Mount area, which is marked הַר הַמּוֹרִיָּה - הַר הַבַּיִת Har ha-Moriyyah - Har ha-Bayit ("Moriyyah Hill - Temple Mount"). http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
Zero		#114	[-]
Posts: 20 (01/29/09 18:02:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ben Masada wrote: Okay Zero, what are demons, would you care defining them to me? My opinion of them, or of Satan, is that such a thing is but a concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man. You know, adversary. The abstract emanation that stands between you and the good you intend to do. Satan or demons as a being, are fabrications of religious crooks to play with peoples feelings, and make a living out of the naives of this world. Tell me how you do not agree with me, which I suppose you don't. Ben They are spiritual entities, known to make things bump in the night, possess people and yes in a manner influence them to do bad things.
Sophiee1		#115	[-]
Posts: 11775 (01/29/09 18:28:14) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	And these spiritual entities that go bump in the night -- can't your god control them? סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
Netanel		#116	[-]
Posts: 1543 (01/29/09 19:01:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Zero wrote: They are spiritual entities, known to make things bump in the night, possess people and yes in a manner influence them to do bad things. So let me get this right. Not only are Christians not responsible or accountable for their sins (on account of Yeshu), but also can't be blamed or held responsible for doing bad things (thanks to possession). Very convenient. Where is the accountability? Accountability in Christianity is extra credit, it's a cherry on a cake rather than the cake itself. The cake itself - in Christianity - is in the buzzwords which evoke this or that emotional reaction. Faith, salvation, sacrifice, and on. What these Christian beliefs have helped accomplish is the moral decay they now belatedly rally against. But the damage has already been done. Engrained for so long it is now inbred, the trained lax and at the same time hostile attitude towards the Divine Laws, as if they could ever be watered down or made obsolete (unless it is atheists or agnostics on the other side of their debate, in which case they suddenly pretend to be defenders of the Divine Laws).
Ben Masada		#117	[-]
Posts: 111 (01/30/09 02:28:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Zero wrote: Ben Masada wrote: Okay Zero, what are demons, would you care defining them to me? My opinion of them, or of Satan, is that such a thing is but a concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man. You know, adversary. The abstract emanation that stands between you and the good you intend to do. Satan or demons as a being, are fabrications of religious crooks to play with peoples feelings, and make a living out of the naives of this world. Tell me how you do not agree with me, which I suppose you don't. Ben They are spiritual entities, known to make things bump in the night, possess people and yes in a manner influence them to do bad things. Spiritual entities making things bump in the night, possessing people and inflluencing them to do bad things! Except for the "influencing people to do bad things," which I can related to, as I understand them as emanations, but making things bump at night and possessing people, I thought those imaginations of the Middle Age had long gone. Wake up Zero, and start smelling the coffee. This is Century 21. Ben
Ben Masada		#118	[-]
Posts: 112 (01/30/09 02:35:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sophiee1 wrote: Ben Masada wrote: . . .there is no such a thing as a being called Satan. Ben This is incorrect. The Hebrew word שָׂטָן (satan) is used to speak of both human and non-human adversaries to man. The word שָׂטָן translates to "adversary." So there are MANY satans, but none are a devil or a demi-god who could possibly go against, let alone "tempt" G-d. Likewise there is no hell, although there is Gehenna. What is Gehenna? Where is Gehenna? For Satan being a human entity I still understand as an abstract concept and not a being. However, Sophieel, I don't want to make of this an argument between us, because it's not productive vis-a-vis the presence of non-Jews in the forum. Therefore, you don't have to give me an answer. I will understand. Ben
Sophiee1		#119	[-]
Posts: 11779 (01/30/09 07:23:36) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	We must be factual in our responses. To deny that there are satans in the Tanach is to deny the facts. The Tanach speaks of both human and non-human adversaries to man (some being in our minds and some being angels sent on tasks). I don't care what your personal theology is, we are talking about Judaism not "the world according to Ben Masada." Gehenna (or as Mordochai put it, "Ge Hinnom," aka the "Valley of Hinnom is both a physical place where fires used to be -- and where people would put their children through the fire. . . but it came to mean in midrashim a place of punishment where people who did not learn life's lessons are sent for no more than 11 months to realize the mistakes they made in this life. It isn't hell -- but it does have a place in Jewish teachings. סופי And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
ProfBenTziyyon		#120	[-]
Posts: 1688 (01/30/09 08:01:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sophiee1 wrote: Gehenna (or as Mordochai put it, "Ge Hinnom," aka the "Valley of Hinnom".... Not I, Sophie, but the T'nach. You won't find "Gehenna" anywhere in the T'nach, but Gei [ben] Hinnom occurs dozens of times - would you like me to give you a list? Sophiee1 wrote: but it came to mean in midrashim a place of punishment.... Exactly - *"came to mean in midrashim". This is not a teaching from the T'nach* but a homiletic teaching, a legend, that developed later - nothing more. Ben Masada, you ask Ben Masada wrote: What is Gehenna? Where is Gehenna? --- this shows that you ignored my post #113, which addressed these questions in detail and even gave a map showing where "Gehenna" (actually גֵּי הִנֹּם Gei Hinnom or גֵּי בֶן־הִנֹּם Gei ben-Hinnom) *was* and is. Kindly do not re-ask the same question repeatedly when it has already been asked. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל

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