I found it hard to believe that there were no other artifacts found yet and that people found these nails to be a lucky charm. Do any of you know if it is also mentioned in the Talmud?
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I was watching an episode of "The Naked Archeologist" with Simcha Jacobovichi on crucifixion. He mentioned that there were tens of thousands of
people crucified by the Romans, yet only one archeological piece of evidence has been found. This was a heel bone with a nail through it. A Jewish historian
on the program said that at the time, the nails used in crucifying a person were considered a lucky amulet; a rabbit's foot-type of lucky charm. This is
the reason that no other nail/bone artifact has been found because the people would snatch the nails after the death of the crucified. This particular nail
that was found showed a bend in the point of it showing that it had bent on a knot in the wood and therefore could not be removed. This amulet was used by
Jews and Romans alike and that the proof of this is mentioned in the Talmud.
I found it hard to believe that there were no other artifacts found yet and that people found these nails to be a lucky charm. Do any of you know if it is also mentioned in the Talmud? |
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Unblinded1 wrote:
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
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I remember hearing 50,000 to 100,000 Jews were crucified by the Romans. Jews do not glorify instruments of murder and torture -- let alone use them as some
kind of good luck charm (how macabre). Perhaps the Romans did this -- just as the early Chrstians saved pieces of the cross (literally thousands of them LOL).
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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I found the fact that Jews would save these nails pretty incredulous myself. I find it strange that christians wear a sign of the instrument that killed their
"messiah" around their neck. It would be no different than crafting a guillotine to wear with their Sunday best. I liked the word you used Sophie,
macrabe.
I was skeptical on the mention of it in the Talmud as well, that's why I thought I would check with all of you here. Interesting that they never mentioned the skeleton of one crucified that was on public display. I thought this program to be unbiased seeing that Simcha Jacobovichi is a Jew and usually is quick to show the error or christianity, but it looks like I was wrong.
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Jacobovici's show is first and foremost meant to be entertainment. It can and has had useful information for those watching. But that doesn't mean it
always does, or that everything cited is. The recent show "Battles BC(E)" on David is a great illustration of how little you can trust the
"History Channel" regarding the Tanach, not to mention Jewish history from the time after the close of the Tanach. That said, I thought the claim
was that there was only one instance found in Eretz Yisra'él, not throughout the former Roman Empire. That would appear to be false as well.
Anyway, regarding citations from the Talmud, I believe someone cited a reference somewhere in Shabbat 6 of the Y'rushalmi. I haven't had the
chance to check that supposed reference.
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Unblinded1 wrote:
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל |
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The Professor wrote:
The word incredulous means "unwilling to believe" or "showing disbelief". You might describe YOURSELF as being "incredulous" of such an assertion, but the correct word to describe the assertion itself would be incredible (something that cannot be believed or is hard to believe). I stand corrected... Thanks for all the info. |
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