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tyolilums	One of Isaiah's sons	Lead	[-]
Posts: 508 (08/29/09 17:22:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I've been going over Isaiah (Yeshayahu) 7:14 again. I'm on board with your understanding of it here. So I don't want to rehash any of that. But I just noticed something in one of Uri's articles where he references Nehemiah (Nechemiah) 11:7, where this person in this verse has a son name 'Iti'el' which means 'God is with me'. Is this Isaiah's son, the same Isaiah and son in Isaiah 7:14? My Stone Tanach has Nechemiah 11:7 calling this person Jeshaiah יְשַעְיָה , although I can't help noticing the Hebrew is very clsoe to Isaiah, just a slightly different ending יְשַעְיָהוּ The On line Judica Press Tanach has this person 'Isaiah'. The Christians translations all seem to use Jeshaiah. What's up with all this?
ProfBenTziyyon		#1	[-]
Posts: 2372 (08/29/09 19:43:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	tyolilums wrote: Is this Isaiah's son, the same Isaiah and son in Isaiah 7:14? Read the whole verse: וְאֵ֖לֶּה בְּנֵ֣י בִנְיָמִ֑ן סַלֻּ֡א בֶּן־מְשֻׁלָ֡ם בֶּן־יוֹעֵ֡ד בֶּן־פְּדָיָה֩ בֶן־ק֨וֹלָיָ֧ה בֶן־מַֽעֲשֵׂיָ֛ה בֶּן־אִֽיתִיאֵ֖ל בֶּן־יְשַׁעְיָֽה׃ These are those of [the tribe] Binyamin: Sallu, son of M'shullam, son of Yo'éd, son of P'dayah, son of Kolayah, son of Ma'aséyah, son of Itiyél, son of Y'shayah. So the Y'shayah mentioned in N'ḥemyah 11:7 was from the tribe Binyamin. But the prophet Y'shayahu was from the tribe Y'hudah, because he is known to have been a close relation of the Royal Family (this is reported in the Talmud, twice on folio 10b of Treatise M'gillah and again on folio 10b of Treatise Sotah: מַסֽוֹרֶת בְּיָדֵֽינוּ מֵאֲבוֹתֵֽינוּ: אָמוֹץ וַאֲמַצְיָה אַחִים הֲווּ "we have a tradition received from our ancestors that Amotz and Amatzyah were brothers" − Amotz was the father of the prophet Y'shayahu, and Amatzyah was the 8^th king of Y'hudah and King Azaryah/Uzziyyahu's father). The two men therefore could not have been one and the same, despite the similarity in their names. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
Netanel		#2	[-]
Posts: 1789 (08/29/09 19:59:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	This Y'shayah is not the same as Y'shayah(u) Ha-Navi, and is from B'nei Binyamin. Y'shayah appears four times in the Tanach. 'Ezra 8:7 - referring to Y'shayah ben 'Atalyah from B'nei Élam 'Ezra 8:10 - referring to a Lévi N'hemyah 11:7 - referring to Y'shayah father of Itiél from Binyamin Divrei Ha-Yamim Alef 3:21 - referring to a descendant of Z'rubbavel
tyolilums		#3	[-]
Posts: 509 (08/30/09 10:57:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	okay. It seemed more than a coincidence that the fathers had essentially the same name and their sons' names were essentially the same in meaning. I thought it might support the child in Isaiah 7:14 being Isaiah's. But it appears they are different people. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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