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I am a X-ian (I do not spell the word out of respect for those here), and I do not know what Noahide is. If someone could explain it for me, it would be very
appreciated. I am not here to convert yall, and I am sure yall would be offended by me doing so. I do wish to clear up any rumors/questions you may have of
X-ians from the point of view of a X-ian, but if I am not asked I will not even speak of it further.
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Greetings & welcome to our discussion boards. Your declaration regarding your presence here is very much appreciated.
A Noahide (also often spelled as Noachide; in transliterated Hebrew it is Ben No'ah, meaning, 'a child/descendant of Noah') is one who follows the Seven Laws of Noah as found in the 9th Chapter of Genesis. These 7 Laws, which are actually 7 categories that contain 66 precepts/laws, are part of the Covenant G-d made with Noah (Genesis 9:1-17). Briefly, these 7 categories are: 1. Laws against idolatry 2. Laws against blasphemy 3. Laws against murder 4. Laws against thievery 5. Laws against immoral relations 6. Laws against eating living animals or parts thereof 7. Laws for establishing courts of law Noahides accept the Hebrew Bible as the only true scriptures, they accept the authority of the Jewish Sages and Rabbis, and they study with, and learn from, Jewish teachers. This discussion forum is still rather short (there are only 2 pages of topics), yet you will be able to find a lot of information about Noahides and the 7 Laws of Noah in all prior articles posted here. UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!!
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TheXian wrote:That is very kind and considerate of you. You are the first I've seen in many years to come to this site with the sensibilities of the "resident" body. While I appreciate your sensitivity it is unnecessary. We do not write the name, but you certainly may. Again thank you for your thoughtfulness.
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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I have read a few posts here to lead me to believe there are some who would take offense to me even being X-ian. I think I will follow your traditions as long
as I am here. As a X-ian, I have a very high respect and tolerance of the Jewish communities laws, practices, traditions, and beliefs.
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I have some questions that did not have answers for on the rest of the forum. How is Naohide different from Orthodox Judaism? Are you belief systems like the
old Sadducees in the X-ian bible? What are yalls views on the Kabbalah and Kabbalists?
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UriYosef |
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TheXian wrote:Noahides are Righteous Gentiles, not Jews, but the accept the Hebrew Bible as the true scriptures, and they accept the authority of the Jewish Law, both Written & Oral. This differs from the Sadducees who rejected the Oral Law. Noahides accept the authority and written works of the Jewish Sages, and this includes the Qabalah and Qabalists. Since Noahides are not Jews, they are not obligated to live by Jewish Law, only according to the 7 Laws of Noah (which are, in effect, a subset of Jewish Law). UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!! |
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I thought of another question. What do Noahides think of X-ians that follow the same commandments? What makes us unworthy in yall's opinion?
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TheXian wrote:Do you mean the Noahide commandments? If that's what you mean, then there's a problem with your first question since, according to the Noahide commandments one must follow the True God of the Hebrew Bible. This rules out the triune godhead of (most) Christendom, and it rules out "the son", "jc", and his deity for the those who don't accept the triune godhead. In other words, one cannot be a Christian and Noahide at the same time because Christian theology is incongruous with Judaism (remember, Noahides accept Jewish scriptures as the only true scriptures). I'm also not sure by what you mean by the second question. God, as our heavenly Father, loves all of His creations, and He is merciful and forgiving, but He also disciplines us all when our behavior calls for it. Yet, as I pointed out above, one cannot be a Christian and Noahide simultaneously. UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!!
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The second question you answered. It basically asked what is wrong with X-ians in your opinion.
God loves all of his creations, but does he allow all of them into his kingdom, including those who dont follow any commandments? Including animals? |
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TheXian wrote:Since I am not privvy to God's "ledger", I cannot answer your question with specifics, except that the souls of unrepentant evil and profoundly wicked people, such as those who have committed genocides and mass murders and the like, are destroyed. UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!!
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TheXian wrote:The question wasn't asked of me, but what the hey. One must distinguish between Chrstianity and Chrstians. The Chrstian religion is, for the most part, idolatry. If you read the Jewish bible you'll see that G-d does not LIKE idolatry. Worshiping a man as G-d is not something He cares for. It certainly isn't worshiping Him, no matter how people try to turn the one true G-d into a triune god. Most people are inherently good. I, like Anne Frank, believe this. I don't think there is anything wrong with most Chrstians as people. Most are caring people who help others, love their families, and try to live good lives. The fact that they have been lied to and have been taught a false religion is not their fault. It is sad, but it is not their fault. In Judaism we have the concept of Tinook Shenishba (literally a "kidnapped child"). 2000 years of lies and most Chrstians today are suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome. They believe the lies, and they can't be blamed for this if they don't know any better. G-d is very loving and forgiving. The Rambam (Maimonides) in his Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Teshuvah 3:4 which he based on Tosefta Sanhedrin 13:1 and Sanhedrin 105a wrote: Righteous gentiles have a place in the world to come.Contrast this with the Chrstian religion which says that anyone who does not believe in Jsus (forget about how righteous or good they might have lived their life) is condemed to hell. Anne Frank, per this loving god, is burning in hell while her murderers are in heaven. As for pets, well the T'nach doesn't tell us much about the world to come, but it does tell us that only humans have an immortal soul. If animals only posses a physical soul that keeps their bodies alive then when they die, they die.
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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The Christianity religion as a whole is a joke. People say they are Christian without ever actually living for Christ. They make me look stupid for describing
myself as one. Most barely know what it means.
So do Noahides believe the Messiah will be a man, and in no aspect God? "Anne Frank, per this loving god, is burning in hell while her murderers are in heaven." No, her captors (unless had some heavy repenting time) are in hell. Genocide is a sin. It can be forgiven, just like all others, but the person has to repent. We believe all who truly have a faith in the Messiah (they will try to follow commandments) will receive the gift of heaven. This forgiveness is a gift to those who trust and believe that J-sus is the Messiah. |
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It isn't necessary for a Noahide to even know there will be a messiah, let alone "believe the messiah will be a man." Noahides are bound to the 7
mitzvot given to mankind prior to the covenant G-d made with Abraham. This means that Jews are also Noahides -- but we have an additional covenant.
Regarding your final comment, The Greek Text states that if you believe in Jsus "all is saved." Ergo Anne Frank would be burning in the mythical hell while her murderers, most of whom were Chrstians, went to be with Jsus in heaven. There have also been many "death bed conversions", e.g. when someone is about to die they suddenly find religion. Thus one who murdered millions (in Chrstianity's theology) can just say "I believe in Jsus" and wind up in with the angels even though he doesn't regret one bit having murdered all those people. Not exactly what I'd call a loving god or a righteous one.
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Actually, many of us do not believe that. Acts 2:38 tells us repentance is a requirement. Matthew 7:21-23 implies that many of the unrepentant will call
themselves loyal to God.
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No, per Chrstianity repentance is not sufficient -- belief in Jsus IS. That was my point. Repentant or not a believer in Jsus supposedly goes to heaven while
innocent, good people go to hell. "The only way to the father is through the son."
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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I am a X-ian. It takes faith in J-sus and repentance of sins. Baptism is not 100% necessary, but highly suggested.
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That is your personal POV on what Chrstianity is. There are literally thousands of iterations of Chrstianity and it is hard to find two Chrstians who agree on
what Chrstian theology requires.
Some say you don't even need repentance, just "believe" in Jsus. Ergo your experience as a Chrstian relates really only to you. The GT clearly says that anyone who rejects Jsus will go to hell when they die FOREVER. He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. . . . 8the. . .unbelieving. . .their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. Revelations 21:6-8John 11:25: Jsus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies.So again, Chrstians who follow Jsus can murder -- aka the Spanish Inquisition, the Nazis, etc. and go to heaven. But the good non-Chrstians are condemned to hell.
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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That is not a correct belief some X-ians have. My denomination (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod), as do many others, believes that it takes a true faith in
J-sus to live eternally. Paul states that the wicked, even if they "believe", do not enter heaven (1 Corinthians 6:9-10), and J-sus hints at it with
the matthew verse I provided above. Please read those verse if you havent already. The rules say im not allowed to post the verses on the forums.
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Sophiee1 |
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They might say that yours is not the correct belief. Each is certainly a tenant of a Chrstian denomination.
If you are a Lutheran might I ask if you've ever read some of the lovely things written about Jews by Martin Luther? Try starting with "The Jews and Their Lies."
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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We go by what the bible tells us. I have heard of no teaching from the Lutheran's that isnt backed with scripture, new and old.
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And you do know that the bible (GT) comes from the church, right?
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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