(I'm a very long winded and verbose typist, but at least I check my facts!).
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Sophiee1 |
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catholic, all of your "assurances" aside I showed you in my last post with one example picked from random by visiting his site that he is NOT very
educated when it comes to the Jewish bible. He is just a very long winded and verbose typist.
(I'm a very long winded and verbose typist, but at least I check my facts!).
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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catholic |
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i would agree. he is not the best in that. and he buts very few references on his topics about the messiah. to me that is the foundation, or rough draft for my
works. but on other topics he is very educated in.
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mbczion |
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catholic wrote:Well, if your "scholar" is going to try to show the "flaws" of Judaism and why we should accept that man as Messiah, let alone L-rd, then I would expect him to have more than just a superficial knowledge of Judaism. There are many Jews that know Arabic (I'm sure far more than the number of Chrstians who know Hebrew), so does this make them experts on Islam? Yeah, I'm sure there are topics that Glenn is very educated in. However, football and baseball are hardly relevant to our discussion here
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to my knowledge glenn does not talk about baseball or football. lastly you are a bit late, we already established that glenn does not know hebrew. how can
knowing arabic make you an expert in islam. you can start, by studying the quran in the original arabic. which helps, but you would need to know more then
that. also if you go to his FAQ one of his favorite author is Michael brown. so i think that is self explanatory.
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Sophiee1 |
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Michael Brown has been debunked here many times. He was a drug using thief (self avowed, look at his bio) who became a Chrstian as a teen ager. Although born a
Jew he has very limited Jewish education, all of which has been at the hands of Chrstians. His knowledge of Hebrew and Judaism is also very limited and
inaccurate.
Feel free to bring up any point at all which you feel either Miller or Brown made a scholarly argument (please form it as a question). We'll be happy to respond.
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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catholic wrote:I'm afraid that there is a lot more that Glenn doesn't know aside from his not knowing the Hebrew language, all of which is reflected in the material he writes. He doesn't know anything about Judaism, Jewish Law, Jewish customs & traditions, and he is ignorant of the works of the Jewish Sages. So, attempting to learn anything from him regarding how to "correctly" interpret the Hebrew Scriptures is a very risky proposition - he writes his material for one reason only, utilizing subterfuge and deception, to justify his theological beliefs and to convince others that Jews don't know their own scriptures (and, perhaps, even convince some uneducated Jews that Christianity is true and normative Judaism is false). The fact that his "favorite author is Michael Brown" is not surprising, since Dr. Brown's work has the same goal. The big difference between them is that Michael Brown is a highly educated and intelligent person with a PhD in Near Eastern Studies from a reputable university, and he knows the truth (that we, the Jewish people, are trying to teach) but keeps on denying it (to himself) for whatever personal reasons he may have. I am sure that to you, as a Christian, Miller's and Brown's works provide that warm and comfy feeling in your tummy, since they resonate with what you have been believing all your life. So, unless you are willing to open your mind to other points of view that may contradict your beliefs, I don't really see what the purpose is for your presence here and initiating topics that have no relevance to Judaism. If you want to ask questions about Judaism or Jewish understandings of the Hebrew Bible, we welcome them and we will be happy to answer them. We are not interested in debating whether yeshu was a real person nor whether the Greek Testament is reliable, etc. - even though such issues are irrelevant to Judaism, the known historical facts speak for themselves . UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!! |
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ProfBenTziyyon |
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The fact that catholic has posted twice today, but has failed to respond to Post #60, speaks volumes. http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל |
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Actually,I most christians wrongly misinterpret the hebrew Scriptures to target jews, I know that. I actually am open to beliefs that contradict my open then I
decide which one is closer to reality. So when I read micheal brown books or the articles of glenn miller I get a good chuckle. I am also pretty knew to
christianity. Most of my time I use to be a positive atheist. later on a hindu , buddhist, muslim, so i am very much open to new evidence.
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catholic |
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I most have missed this post! 1. My reason for coming here is to learn more about jewish thought and discuss. 2. The purpose of this thread came to me when I
was reading the first page on the messiah truth website. were it talks about Jesus. 3.i care because i thought that jews cared. i did not know he was
irrelevant. i hope i answered your questions. do my post still speak volumes!
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Sophiee1 |
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No, Jews don't care about Jsus. Unfortunately Chrstians spend tens of millions of dollars a year to try to convert under educated Jews. Messiah Truth
exists to help teach Judaism to our fellow Jews, and to non-Jews who have questions.
Learning about Chrstianity is simply a defensive move. If you really have questions about Judaism you're best suited to the General Judaism forum which is focused on answering questions about Judaism.
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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catholic |
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okay i understand but then why mention him in the opening page. as the jesus christ never existed hypothesis.
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catholic |
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Uri yosef, I was wondering if you know of any links for studying the jewish talmud A.K.A. the Babylonian version. I would greatly appreciate it. i know this is
out of topic!
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Sophiee1 |
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catholic wrote:I answered that. Chrstians spend tens of millions of dollars a year to try to convert under educated Jews. Messiah Truth exists to help teach Judaism to our fellow Jews, and to non-Jews who have questions. Learning about Chrstianity is simply a defensive move.
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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catholic |
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sorry sometimes my arrogance lets loose.
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Pamela 1965 |
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Pamela,
My apologises. I probably should have not posted what I posted. |
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catholic wrote:I know of no such resources. Perhaps the primary reason for this is that studying the Talmud under the guidance of an qualified (Jewish) teacher is restricted to Jews. I am not 100% certain whether Noahides are permitted to study limited areas of the Talmud, since they do accept the authority of both the Written and Oral Torah as well as the works of the Jewish Sages. Maybe someone more knowledgeable on this topic could chime in on this. UriYosef
Our raison d'être:
WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a) The fruits of our effort: The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!! |
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thanks, i had no idea.
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catholic |
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although your strategy, is accurate, i would not try to go major on the Jesus never existed hypothesis strategy. because that could lead to a more intellectual
debate, which the under educated jew might not be prepared for. not trying to tell you what to do. and yes i know it sounds like i am but i am not trying to
tell you. there are harder points you can hit. for example replacement theology, fundamentalism mostly coming from protestants, and new research that says if
Christianity continues the way it is by 2020 it will be a minority. i am hoping that turns out not to be the case, i am actually studying to become an
apologetic myself!
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Sophiee1 |
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Discussing whether or not Jsus ever lived is a red herring as he is totally immaterial to Judaism if he was real or fictional.
It IS critically important to Chrstianity, and the fact that they can't even prove that he is real says volumes.
סופי
And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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ProfBenTziyyon |
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catholic wrote: !הַלְוַאי hal'vai! (which means "Oh, how I wish that should be
so!").
http://mordochai.tripod.com - פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל |
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