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Your links to three Chrstian sites were removed. The links were to sites referencing Isaiah 42, Isaiah 50 and Isaiah 52-53 as being about Jsus as the servant.

The thing to learn about "proof texting" by Chrstians is that they tend to remove a sentence or two out of context (when read in context it is obvious that Jsus doesn't "fit" the servant in Isaiah) and often they rely on bad translations (for example they ignore that the servant will have a long physical life, have children and such).

Take the second link you gave. It mentions Isaiah 42:1-4 but ignored

But you, Israel My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, who loved Me (Isaiah 41:8).

That same website referenced Isaiah 49:6 and mentions verses 1-6, but he doesn't quote line 3. Want to know why?

Isaiah 49:3 And He said to me, "You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast."

See what I mean about proof texting? Isn't it so interesting the things they leave OUT? In Isaiah 49 Israel is clearly identified as the servant. Let's read it in context from 49:1 to 7:

1 Listen to me, O Islands, and hearken, O distant regimes: HaShem summoned me from the belly; He mentioned my name from my mother's womb. 2 He made my mouth like a sharp sword in the shadow of His hand He hid me; He made me like a smooth arrow, in His quiver. He concealed me. 3 He said to me: "You are my servant, Israel, in whom I take glory. 4 But I said, "I have toiled in vain and used up my strength of nothingness and naught; however, my judgment is with HaShem and the reward for my accomplishment is with My G-d. 5 And now HaShem, who formed me from the belly to be a servant to Him said (I should) return Jacob to Him, so that Israel would be gathered to Him, so I was honored in G-d's eyes and my G-d was my strength. 8 He said It is insufficient that you be a servant for Me (only) to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the ruins of Israel; I will make you a light for the nations, so that My salvation may extend to the ends of the earth (Artsroll Stone Edition).

Each one of the websites you referenced do the same selective quoting and use mistranslations.

You asked for a link replying to the Chrstian misinterpretations. UriYosef haswritten on this topic. They are posted at the Virtual Yeshiva:

Identifying the "Suffering Servant"

• Isaiah 53 - Who Is the Suffering Servant in Isaiah 53? [Part I]
• Isaiah 53 - Who Is the Suffering Servant in Isaiah 53? [Part II]

You may also want to read

The Suffering Servant in Isaiah 53 and a breakdown of the verses themselves, in Part II that follows, or skip to Part III. They are on our main website in the "Knowing your Orchard" section.

BTW, chapters are a Chrstian invention. The author on that website conveniently ignored a few lines before 42:1-4 where Isaiah clearly identifies the servant as ISRAEL.

The servant in pshat (plain meaning) is identified often by Isaiah as Israel, not the messiah.

Isaiah 41 8. But you, Israel My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, who loved Me, 9. Whom I grasped from the ends of the earth, and from its nobles I called you, and I said to you, "You are My servant"; I chose you and I did not despise you.

and

Isaiah 44 1. And now, hearken, Jacob (Jacob's name was changed to Israel) My servant, and Israel whom I have chosen. 2. So said HaShem your Maker, and He Who formed you from the womb shall aid you. Fear not, My servant Jacob, and Jeshurun whom I have chosen.

and

Isaiah 44:21 "Remember these things, O Jacob, for you are my servant, O Israel. I have made you, you are my servant; O Israel, I will not forget you.

and

Isaiah 45 4. For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me.

and

Isaiah 49 3. And He said to me, "You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast."

and

Isaiah 49:7 This is what HaShem says- the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel- to him who was despised and abhorred by the nation, to the servant of rulers: "Kings will see you and rise up, princes will see and bow down, because of HaShem , who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you."

and from Jeremiah:

Jeremiah 30:10 " 'So do not fear, O Jacob my servant; do not be dismayed, O Israel,' declares HaShem .

Also see Isaiah 42:19-20; 43:10 to see that Israel is the servant, nowhere is this term used for the messiah. Jeremiah 30:10 also names Israel as the servant and Jeremiah 30:17 says that the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by G-d, just like in Isaiah 53:4!